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# 21
05-11-2013, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kapla1755 View Post
Umm really I beg to differ

with 6pt in thrusters and a Tachyokinetic console = 9.1 turn at 1/4 impulse
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/...5-11_00007.jpg
Is that 9.1 in that jpg there? Didn't he just say 16-17? So I mean, really, what is it you're differing with?

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Bullcrap. Between a decent combat impulse engine, impoved RCS modules, a decent singularity core; new-and-improved EPtE, Aux2Damp, APA, APO, EM, and battle cloak; and ample science slots for your choice of GW, ES, and TB; if you can't keep a D'Deridex on-target with DHC's*, you're just bad and you should feel bad.
That's a lot of stuff dedicated to turning. But across the board, most other ships can do a lot of that stuff and turn far far better.

Think of it this way. 5 base for the D'Deridex. All those buffs. Sweet!

20 base for the JHAS. All those buffs. LOLWUT?
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# 22
05-11-2013, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cha0s1428 View Post
I call BS on you here, as its clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

1 Mk IV blue RCS = .99 turn on the D'D. 2 of them would give you roughly +2. So 7.5

Hardly even the base of 13 on the breen ship. Try again.

The BEST you can possibly get with 4 RCS, Tachyo, 9 in impulse thrusters, and cloak is roughly 16-17, max. It is nothing short of a joke, and a middle finger to anyone who wants to try and pvp with one.

Not everyone is content with just pve in this game, and I really wish you would stop arguing as if nobody matters but you and your pve crowd.
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Originally Posted by kapla1755 View Post
Umm really I beg to differ

with 6pt in thrusters and a Tachyokinetic console = 9.1 turn at 1/4 impulse
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/...5-11_00007.jpg

same equipment while in cloak = 23.3 turn
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/...5-11_00010.jpg

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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
Is that 9.1 in that jpg there? Didn't he just say 16-17? So I mean, really, what is it you're differing with?



That's a lot of stuff dedicated to turning. But across the board, most other ships can do a lot of that stuff and turn far far better.

Think of it this way. 5 base for the D'Deridex. All those buffs. Sweet!

20 base for the JHAS. All those buffs. LOLWUT?
The highlighted sections are the difference and this is on the T3 D'deridex so 7 consoles (3 eng,2 sci, 2 tac) . Apparently a Tachyokinetic console is better than 2 - Blue Mk IV RCS consoles on tribble atm. The point being if the 1 - tachy console will get you to 9.1 turn at lvl 30 and it scales with level at around lvl 50 you could possibly be pulling a 10 turn out of cloak and most likely a 30 in cloak. Flying it on tribble at the moment with (fore - DBB, DHC, Quads, Torp, aft - trts x2, Hargh'peng) and have not had any difficulty keeping weapons on target. Tis not an escort turn wise by any means, but somewhere between my Bortas and Vor'cha turn wise, once into cloak its like driving a battlecruiser and thats without using engine bats or evasive manuevers. the engine power setting atm is at 33 before any boosts, since i favor a weapons heavy setting for max DHC damage. If you like flying escorts its probably not gonna be something you like, but if you like flying cruisers it's an interesting option.

That is what I'm differing with

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# 23
05-11-2013, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by snoggymack22 View Post
That's a lot of stuff dedicated to turning.
Yeah, and only less than half of those are things that aren't innate to ship and class, or aren't so handy you'd use anyway regardless of turn rate!

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But across the board, most other ships can do a lot of that stuff and turn far far better.
Precisely how many of those ships can cloak, mount dual cannons, have a rock-solid BOff slotting, and have cruiser hull and shields in the same package?
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# 24
05-11-2013, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cha0s1428 View Post
The T'Varo is not the B'rel of the Romulans by no means other than enhanced cloak. Its the Defiant, but turns better.

I am sorry, but I will not chillax. The turn rate is too slow to have any remote effectiveness in pvp. Neither of the cruisers will not have any kind of effectiveness in pvp. I like cruisers. I like flying cruisers. Anything lower than a 7 base is worthless.

I mean, why put cannons on the stupid thing at all? You can't use em.
ahhhhhh but theres the rub eh ? I don't think they care about pvp
look for me in game as "Admiral Quinn" yeah that admiral quinn..and while your at it get off muh station!!!
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# 25
05-12-2013, 05:02 AM
Well, prior to this, I would be just buying the Valdore skin.
I disliked the Mogai's layout, so I would be using only the free veteran reward retrofit for it.

But now I'll buy the fleet One (Depending on situation, may buy the retrofit as well so that I can save on fleet marks if I want more then one Fleet Mogai).

And I'll also be buying the D'ridthau costume for the fleet Deridex ( i like the new stats) .

So before the patch : Valdore.

After the patch : Valdore, D'ridthau and either maybe 8 fleet modules, or Mogai Retrofit and 5 or more fleet modules , depending math wise how many fleet Mogais I want, which option is cheaper... to buy the Refit and save on the modules, or that I buy full modules and use the vet token for the retrofits. Oh and I almost forgot 2 or 4 more character slots.


Either way, this is a sale for Cryptic.


And yeah. I dont care about pvp, I never did it, never will, I'm fine with pve.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
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