Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
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# 91
05-11-2013, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by commandersalvek View Post
Thats not my point -but thanks for having a go at me.

The Vessel itself has no reason to have a low turn rate.

Its Called "eyes" "reading" and "thinking" -if you have a Problem its your own fault
1. Not merely cruiser, but heavyweight cruiser hull and shields, with cruiser weapon slotting plus dual cannon mounting.
2. Battle cloak.
3. Battlecruiser BOff, console, and device slotting.

Do you seriously think you're going to have all these things without concession in base turn rate and inertia? That's pretty ballsy, when you consider the plethora of ways you can circumvent its low turn rate including arguably the best one in the game which is innate to the ship itself and comes entirely without cost.

So, yes, that is the point, "a go at [you]" is well-deserved for complaining about this, and while I'm perfectly capable of reading and comprehending what I am reading you are certainly one to lecture others on the merits of critical thought. That's absolutely the case when the post of yours to which I responded is in regard to how there is "nothing"to "support" the low base turn rate of the D'Deridex -- which, clearly, is not the case since there are ample ways to boost it through gear and skills.
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Last edited by theodrim; 05-11-2013 at 10:41 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,289
# 92
05-11-2013, 11:00 PM
People also have to consider that RCS consoles and impulse thrusters are getting boosted soon, and also there is turn rate buff while cloaked. It won't be that hard to manage ships like the D'Deridex from what I hear from people that made it on to tribble
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,925
# 93
05-12-2013, 06:06 AM
Well, prior to this re-making of the warbird stats, I would be just buying the Valdore skin.

I disliked the Mogai's previous science layout, so I would be using only the free veteran reward retrofit for it, as I am wishing to use an end game Valdore (best ever looking trek ship in my opinion)

But now I'll buy the fleet One (Depending on situation, may buy the retrofit as well so that I can save on fleet marks if I want more then one Fleet Mogai).

And I'll also be buying the D'ridthau costume for the fleet Deridex ( i like the new stats) .

So before the patch : Valdore.

After the patch : Valdore, D'ridthau and either maybe 8 fleet modules, or Mogai Retrofit and 5 or more fleet modules , depending math wise how many fleet Mogais I want, which option is cheaper... to buy the Refit and save on the modules, or that I buy full modules and use the vet token for the retrofits. Oh and I almost forgot 2 or 4 more character slots.


Either way, this is a better sale for Cryptic.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Commander
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# 94
05-12-2013, 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
People also have to consider that RCS consoles and impulse thrusters are getting boosted soon, and also there is turn rate buff while cloaked. It won't be that hard to manage ships like the D'Deridex from what I hear from people that made it on to tribble
It's not, not by a longshot. People complaining just haven't clued into how to fly it yet.
Somebody getting uppity about canon? No problem! Just take a deep breath, and repeat after me:

Spock's Brain.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 105
# 95
05-12-2013, 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theodrim View Post
1. Not merely cruiser, but heavyweight cruiser hull and shields, with cruiser weapon slotting plus dual cannon mounting.
2. Battle cloak.
3. Battlecruiser BOff, console, and device slotting.

Do you seriously think you're going to have all these things without concession in base turn rate and inertia? That's pretty ballsy, when you consider the plethora of ways you can circumvent its low turn rate including arguably the best one in the game which is innate to the ship itself and comes entirely without cost.

So, yes, that is the point, "a go at [you]" is well-deserved for complaining about this, and while I'm perfectly capable of reading and comprehending what I am reading you are certainly one to lecture others on the merits of critical thought. That's absolutely the case when the post of yours to which I responded is in regard to how there is "nothing"to "support" the low base turn rate of the D'Deridex -- which, clearly, is not the case since there are ample ways to boost it through gear and skills.
Again my point was related entirely to depiction on vessel on screen the first case that somehow a overall lower warp speed implies its maneuverability is lower by a great degree-which is being cited everywhere on this forum along with a "glassjaw" hull frame based on a 20-30 sec battle sequence in DS9.

Your statements why the turn rate in game is balanced by the other factors is well said and I agree with you.

I was and still concerned that the D'deridex-Class in game statistics is being affected by on screen interpretations that are affected by a view of some that has been built on assumptions leading to a posts where these myths are being cited as if fact.

the recently BOFF change to the D'Deridex proves the devs are responding to these threads/posts-

I have no problems with in game statistical balancing.

Nor did it need to go personal-so I apologise
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 869
# 96
05-13-2013, 10:36 AM
The Ha'feh needs some work IMO.

Its very bland. Only slightly Romulan looking. And way too chuncky.

When I am flying it its feels more like I am flying a 747 or the space shuttle rather than a Warbird.

Would rather have seen something more along the lines of a larger Dhelan. Something that looks a bit more Romulan.

To me its the most visually boring ship in the game.

The other two in the set are just too chuncky for my tastes. You could get 10000s of people on those ships. Like flying a skyscaper with wings.

Usually the ship guys do an excellent job and have an eye for detail. These 3 look like first attempts or prototypes.

The shuttle is more exciting to look at than the T5s and getting them is a bit anti-climatic.

Visually they are a big yawn and dont look like the evolution of what Warbirds look like. Somehow we went from the Mogai to the bulky Ha'feh.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 869
# 97
05-13-2013, 10:40 AM
Also the D'D is missing the classic "glow" on the hollow section of the ship from the nacelles and lighting
Captain
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# 98
05-13-2013, 10:42 AM
Needs to be a Romulan specific window set that is more cyan/green. The white/blue/yellow choices are ok but appropriate windows would make them all a bit more Romulan. The yellow ones stand out so much they become the dominant feature
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 866
# 99 Engineering Lite?
05-13-2013, 03:02 PM
On the test server, when I levelled to Centurion, I started looking for an Engineer specific Romulan ship.

I did not find one.

Judging from this post, an Engineering capable ship is not available until Subcommander rank, the Mogai Heavy Warbird.

And the first true Engineering ship is not available until Commander, the D?deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser.


I find it disappointing if I was to choose an Engineering ship, I need to use Starfleet vessels.
Captain
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Posts: 869
# 100
05-13-2013, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tilarta View Post
On the test server, when I levelled to Centurion, I started looking for an Engineer specific Romulan ship.

I did not find one.

Judging from this post, an Engineering capable ship is not available until Subcommander rank, the Mogai Heavy Warbird.

And the first true Engineering ship is not available until Commander, the D?deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser.


I find it disappointing if I was to choose an Engineering ship, I need to use Starfleet vessels.
its something that you would use for maybe 2 hours before outleveling. the lower level ships are more or less irrelevant
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