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Join Date: May 2013
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# 1081
05-15-2013, 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
Because of the lower levels (x/15 vs x/25), you're also receiving more from Efficiency (and the Efficiency is higher because the trait gives more - thus even more).
You were doing well until this.

Efficiency is based on where the power level is SET. 15/25 = 25/25 as far as the skill is concerned.
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# 1082
05-15-2013, 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neok182 View Post
Though all that math was done as an eng captain and i'm currently still planning on playing tac. though i guess i may change that.
That math wasn't done as an Eng Captain. I separated out what was and what wasn't. The step by step wasn't done as an Eng. For an Eng, add in another 10 power to each subsystem at the end from the EPS Manifold Efficiency trait from cycling EPtX/EPtY. He/she could also get an additional boost from using a battery - which also opens up using a Battery DOFF. Also, one could also add a WCE DOFF for the potential boost from cycling the EPtX/EPtY. Heck, one could eat the loss on Aux and run AtB for additional boosts to power.

Yes, the Warbird will always have lower power - but depending on the build, that may not even be noticed because of where that lower power ends up being.

As is, there's a lot of "wasted" power on Holo. There's going to be even more "wasted" power with LoR for Feds/KDF...while the Roms will generally be getting into that sweet spot.

Yep, it's going to require certain builds (but for some of us, the builds will be no different than what we already run) and they'll require certain gear (but again, it tends to be gear that's run or some sort of equivalent gear is run...etc, etc, etc).

Like many though, and I'm glad it was pointed out as a bug, I nearly crapped myself with the 85 cap thing. Even a -10 cap thing would be bad. It's one thing to lose power on the bottom end, it's entirely another thing to lose it on the top end.


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# 1083
05-15-2013, 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poeddude View Post
You were doing well until this.

Efficiency is based on where the power level is SET. 15/25 = 25/25 as far as the skill is concerned.
true, but you can set romulan ships to /15 instead of /25 which is what he did.

You have to click on power to weapons and engine and auxiliary will drop to /15 and then you can lock them there.

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# 1084
05-15-2013, 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poeddude View Post
You were doing well until this.

Efficiency is based on where the power level is SET. 15/25 = 25/25 as far as the skill is concerned.
Look at what I posted.

x/15
x/25

It's not 15/25 vs. 25/25.

It's 15/15 vs. 25/25.

edit: If they go back to the 15/25, though...yep - everything would have to be recalculated again.


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# 1085
05-15-2013, 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
That math wasn't done as an Eng Captain. I separated out what was and what wasn't. The step by step wasn't done as an Eng. For an Eng, add in another 10 power to each subsystem at the end from the EPS Manifold Efficiency trait from cycling EPtX/EPtY. He/she could also get an additional boost from using a battery - which also opens up using a Battery DOFF. Also, one could also add a WCE DOFF for the potential boost from cycling the EPtX/EPtY. Heck, one could eat the loss on Aux and run AtB for additional boosts to power.

Yes, the Warbird will always have lower power - but depending on the build, that may not even be noticed because of where that lower power ends up being.

As is, there's a lot of "wasted" power on Holo. There's going to be even more "wasted" power with LoR for Feds/KDF...while the Roms will generally be getting into that sweet spot.

Yep, it's going to require certain builds (but for some of us, the builds will be no different than what we already run) and they'll require certain gear (but again, it tends to be gear that's run or some sort of equivalent gear is run...etc, etc, etc).

Like many though, and I'm glad it was pointed out as a bug, I nearly crapped myself with the 85 cap thing. Even a -10 cap thing would be bad. It's one thing to lose power on the bottom end, it's entirely another thing to lose it on the top end.
sorry i missed that, was a huge post lol.

So looking through your math i should be running, before EPTX

125(136)/100
74/30
57/15
49/15

and thats not bad at all, i could even drop weapons to 90 to add some more power to engines or shields. Also i most likely won't put 3 points in aux and i'll put them on engines or shields since i don't plan on using many abilities for aux power.

but even as is, that is not a bad setup and i wouldn't have an issue with it. And i'm planning running the adapted maco deflector and engine and the engine gives +3.8 weapons, shield and auxilary.

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# 1086
05-15-2013, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by neok182 View Post
Veteran hull material is confirmed, just not for launch.

Same with all veteran costumes and the 1000/day ship. All coming later.
I did see the 1000 day ship was coming, I was hoping for the vet skin and I didn't see anything about a Vet costume, that's sweet, thanks.
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# 1087
05-15-2013, 06:41 PM
I am very disappointed in the latest ship update for Tribble.

First, there's the Tiercel... which really is a squished kitbash of the Kestrel with only a single set of wings swooping down along with Dhelan-copy pasted detailing like the rear fins and nacelles.

Then, there's the fleet ships... who'se material is IMHO ugly in the extreme. I'm not sure of what is going on lately with materials, but it seems like there's an unpleasant trend of having Romulan ship materials making them look fissured rather than appealingly plated. It's like the seams have to be accentualized more than the plating - yuck.

And that's a real shame, because you had something good going with your refit ships. And there's probably too much work involved/not enough time to make any fix even if the Devs were so inclined.

...I really hope your veteran ship materials will improve on that.
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Last edited by umaeko; 05-15-2013 at 06:43 PM.
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# 1088
05-16-2013, 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
edit: If they go back to the 15/25, though...yep - everything would have to be recalculated again.
Or...if they change it so everybody could x/15 (like they just did), then it would be a case of having to redo the calculations to see the differences between Rom and Fed/KDF.

Basically, the Fed/KDF can match x/15's of the Eng/Aux while still having that +40 wiggle room. That opens up some interesting mixes for Fed/KDF...

...oh well.


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# 1089 Romulan ship trophy display
05-16-2013, 03:09 AM
I have looked and looked but the Romulan ships evidently have no display cases. Is this going to remain a non-feature for Romulans as it is in the Jem'Hadar ships (and I understand Tholian)?

All these ships need a display area even if the interior just has a single plain cubical with just that display case in it. The Jem'Hadar assault carrier has a console on the bridge for displaying trophies, but it's broken because there's no display stand and shelves to put anything on (I'd really like to put my Crystalline Entity display in mine).

Come on Cryptic how about fixing this on the Romulan ships at least, before you go live.
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# 1090 Science Ship
05-16-2013, 04:18 AM
I wonder why there is no extensive complaining about the lack of science ships for end game. As far as i can see we have only 1 specific science ship out of the 7 fleet ships. Additionaly the Mogai was changed from an interesting/science leaning escort to a boring/engineering leaning destroyer (imho, but i think i'm not the only one).

Are there any dev comments about this issue i overlooked?

P.s.: Oh, and to add insult to injury the Ha'nom is the most boring of all Cryptic Designs i know of. (imho of course ^^)
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