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# 11
02-03-2010, 03:18 PM
You are just fantastically ignorant of the ingame reality. Do you really think that nobody in the federation knows how to play the game, and that the Klingons are alltogether the most amazing players ever to grace this earth?

Organized fed group vs. organized Klingon group is a no brainer who's going to win. Klingons can coordinate focus fire while cloaked, make a list of who to shoot in what order. Federation can pick targets only after they are already under attack, and are losing ships fast.

Secondly, if the Klingons take losses they can simply cloak up, regroup, set up a nice new assault and go again. If the fedearion takes losses they are now fighting undermanned with their people being scattered around the map. They can't simply regroup and take their time without any chance of being attacked because they have to move their troops in broad daylight.

Thirdly, if you run as a Federation ship you can't just cloak, recharge your shields and come back to the fight when you're back in shape, you can run, but you're still visible, and you're still damaged so chances are you will get finished off.

And fourth, in order for a federation ship to come to the aid of its allies it has to full impule in in full view, which means either stopping at 15km and slowboating into the engagement if you don't want to get there with 5 weapons energy, or going in and getting there with no energy. A Klingon can full impulse to the engagement, stay cloaked till his energy is back up and then engage at will.


The only thing grouping up as Federation protects you against is small groups or single Klingons. When they all attack at the same time you don't have any advantage because you grouped up, the only thing you accomplished is forcing the Klingons to do the same.
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# 12
02-03-2010, 03:23 PM
You are fantastically ignorant about tactics. You insist that splitting off is a good idea cause getting kills is evrything. It is not, sometimes an easy gank needs to be let go in order to get a bigger reward, more kills. You insist that alpha strikes allow you to win, but I insist that AS can be countered. I have seen it countered. Balling up is the best tactic, not just for Feds but for Klingons too. Not just because it allows you to target anyone in range but because some of the healing abilities have a range of 5km, so balling up in STO is like forming lines of battle in PotBS. You just need to admit that you are tactically challenged.
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# 13
02-03-2010, 03:32 PM
Rothnang is correct.
Klingons have a huge advantage on any kill based map. They can choose the fight and their squishy ships can up and disappear like a fart in the wind.

Klingons get the first shot and starting positional advantage - always.
The window for picking them off on respawning is cloak time ~3 seconds, but for the Federation it is however long it takes you to get back to the fleet.

The BoP is also the best DPS ship there is in PvP. It's everything the Escort wishes it was.
BoPs are an asset, Escorts a liability.
Flexible BO slots, can't be targeted first, a built in escape mechanism (battle cloak), higher turn rate and the same number of forward weapons as an Escort trumps an extra ensign skill, another rear weapon and a tiny bit of extra life.

The only thing keeeping them in check in beta was terrible gear and much longer cloak detection ranges.

Unless PvE is providing awesome gear the Klingons will be favourites.

Expect a lot of hostility to what you are saying OP.
Cryptic made the mistake of putting the word 'Klingon' in the PvP forum title so expect a swarm of Klingons telling everyone that its fine .
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# 14
02-03-2010, 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rothnang
You are just fantastically ignorant of the ingame reality. Do you really think that nobody in the federation knows how to play the game, and that the Klingons are alltogether the most amazing players ever to grace this earth?

Organized fed group vs. organized Klingon group is a no brainer who's going to win. Klingons can coordinate focus fire while cloaked, make a list of who to shoot in what order. Federation can pick targets only after they are already under attack, and are losing ships fast.

Secondly, if the Klingons take losses they can simply cloak up, regroup, set up a nice new assault and go again. If the fedearion takes losses they are now fighting undermanned with their people being scattered around the map. They can't simply regroup and take their time without any chance of being attacked because they have to move their troops in broad daylight.

Thirdly, if you run as a Federation ship you can't just cloak, recharge your shields and come back to the fight when you're back in shape, you can run, but you're still visible, and you're still damaged so chances are you will get finished off.

And fourth, in order for a federation ship to come to the aid of its allies it has to full impule in in full view, which means either stopping at 15km and slowboating into the engagement if you don't want to get there with 5 weapons energy, or going in and getting there with no energy. A Klingon can full impulse to the engagement, stay cloaked till his energy is back up and then engage at will.


The only thing grouping up as Federation protects you against is small groups or single Klingons. When they all attack at the same time you don't have any advantage because you grouped up, the only thing you accomplished is forcing the Klingons to do the same.
He didn't say nobody in the federation knows how to play, i have gone up against loads of fed teams and lost.

1 When we make a list you can see who were going to target so you can plan accordingly.
( i went up aginst a team where all the escorts had Reverse shield polarity, so when they got alpha'd they just popped that and we have then lost the initative straight away .)

2 I find battery's come in handy for this soif you do die you can full impulse into battle agin pop a battery and your good to go

3 If we manage to battle cloak successfuly (very risky) we would be out the battle for 5 minutes waiting for our hull to repair and our shields don't recharge while were cloaked.

4 Same as point to but you can always add power transfer consoles

You also say that we have both factors Stealth and speed, you can get the same engines as us if not better, Most klingons wont have much power in there engines so they'll be slow, and if they have got full power to engines then there shields are very weak so take advantage of that.
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# 15
02-03-2010, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GnawLF
You are fantastically ignorant about tactics. You insist that splitting off is a good idea cause getting kills is evrything.
Please quote me where I said that. Go ahead.
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