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Why? To have 'power' and 'glory'? To reintroduce another tyrannical, self serving ruler? D'Tan has a vision, and that's for the Rihan to be free from oppresion. Tal Shiar seek to destroy everything that is freedom, to serve their Iconian masters. But they don't see, they are the tools of the Iconians, if their 'new world' comes, they will also be slaves. Foolish Tal Shiar, if the Iconians do come, and slaughter you, you will die knowing you brought this apone yourself.


TL;DR: Tal shiar are psycopathic idiots
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# 2
02-19-2014, 02:40 AM
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Why? To have 'power' and 'glory'? To reintroduce another tyrannical, self serving ruler? D'Tan has a vision, and that's for the Rihan to be free from oppresion. Tal Shiar seek to destroy everything that is freedom, to serve their Iconian masters. But they don't see, they are the tools of the Iconians, if their 'new world' comes, they will also be slaves. Foolish Tal Shiar, if the Iconians do come, and slaughter you, you will die knowing you brought this apone yourself.


TL;DR: Tal shiar are psycopathic idiots
I think people are understandably confusing "Tal'Shiar" with "Romulan Empire" (actually I did that mistake for some time....).
Even in STO the tal'Shiar is "just" a part of the Empire.
And I personally support the Empire.

Why? D'Tan is a traitor to all Romulans.

He sells whats left of the romulan people out the others. Especially the federation, and therefore, the Vulcans, who could have stopped the destruction of Romulus with little more then snipping a finger and refused to do that.
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# 3
02-19-2014, 02:44 AM
I want a true Romulan Republic. A Republic free of the rule of the Klingons, free of the Federation. Our people must return to the old ways of isolation and observation. The Tal Shiar are ruthless, but they are the ones looking into ways of bettering our people. Experimenting with Borg technology (Which may I add the Federation have a penchant for) and activating Iconian gateways. Is it not better to research all this Iconian technology then to leave it for the almighty Starfleet to "deal with".

With the discovery of the Jenolan Dyson Sphere the Federation have already proven themselves to be liars and deceivers and the Klingon Dogs dared to threaten us. It's clear they only agreed to assist our people to gain access to our own research and to better their pitiful cloaking devices. No. I say no more. And to any Starfleet or KDF officer out there, if you want to try and remove the Thalaron generator from my Scimitar I welcome you to try.

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# 4
02-19-2014, 03:07 AM
If you're following the Dyson story, it's quite hinting at a form of conflict in interest and emotions are fairly high between the allies. So, who knows? Maybe Cryptic is listening and we'll eventually plunder into all out war. I for one would love that.

Another possibility is that Fleets can become 'independent', but only be seen as enemies by opposite factions (Fed vs Rom, but never Fed vs Fed) and make some public (like the Sphere) PvP-style where Fleet's can compete for territory.

That way, we can all play what we wish. Romulans can be their own supportive faction. Fleets can ally with your Fleet under the same banner and agenda.
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# 5
02-19-2014, 03:29 AM
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TL;DR: Tal shiar are psycopathic idiots
Incorrect. The are only displayed as psychopathic idiots.

The Tal'Shiar is an intelligence Service for the Romulan Empire. Therefore its main concern is the inner/outer security of the Romulan Empire. The methods may look questionable, but - honestly - just compare it to the stuff Section 31 does.

And from their point of view, D'Tan is selling the Romulans to the "highest bidder" - between the Federation and the Klingons. Therefore they try to stop him. And they try to compete in the arms race - therefore the heavy focus in weapons research (Borg, Iconian, &c) because in these times, even the Federation does not always wait for its diplomats to make a treaty but uses gun-wielding Admirals for offensive strike missions deep in romulan territory.

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# 6
02-19-2014, 03:44 AM
While I support a free and independent Romulan empire, I want it free from EVERYBODY. Federation, Klingons AND the Tal Shiar.

All have proven, corrupt, inept and it was because of the Tal Shiar Romulus and Remus were destroyed, and gave rise to maniacs like Shizon.

Sorry I want D'Tan to stop selling the romulans to the highest bidder, however I will NOT support a military government that the Tal Shiar want to go back to.

Time for Romulans and Remans to find out who they are without all the garbage from before.

D'Tan needs to step aside, not for me, but for somebody who will bring us respect, honesty and strength. Not to be as we were, but not to be puppets to other masters.

I will choose a path that's free, I will choose free will to use a human line.
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# 7
02-19-2014, 05:56 AM
Cryptic storyline is awful. First they designed a Star Empire faction which after was dumbed down to the level as it is now to save time. That is why I refuse it's existence and playing my own.

I support Star Empire for being a monarchy. The true monarchy is the only way of ruling I honour.
Romulans can not be pets for federation or klingons. Just a thought about it is ridiculous.

D'tan is not a rihannsu, this traitor can not represent romulans. He gave away everything romulans had, even battle cloak. His reunification drivel is horrific to listen to. I want to see him executed.

Star Empire is strong still. There are those who haven't forgot what loyalty means. All noble houses of rihan must to meet on Rator and new, true monarch has to be elected.
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# 8
02-19-2014, 06:01 AM
I, for one, am willing to give D'Tan a "little" time before I pass judgement on his rule...

Granted, we're not 100% "free" to do as we please, however:

We have secured a new homeworld in the middle of arguably the most turbulent times of the galaxy.
While an avowed unificationist, he did not run straight to Vulcan and beg for integration, he instead approached the Vulcan's enemy and kept us independent.
At heart, D'Tan is still a Romulan, as such we can almost be assured that there may be hidden and veiled schemes that we are not aware of that could lead to full independence, if not continued taking advantage of the Federation and KDF for the forseeable future.
Are we certain that D'Tan's reunification movement is aimed at eventual integration of the Republic into the Federation, or perhaps he is seeking the right time and appropriate logical argument to cause Vulcan's secession into the Republic?
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# 9
02-19-2014, 06:26 AM
D'Tan + his staff are *******.

first:

Nobody sets up a "New Homeworld" right beside two larger/more powerful factions fighting a war over territory. If "New Romulus" would be more in the Iota/Pavonis or Psi Velorum-Corner, it would be somewhat understandable. But, seriously - Tau Dewa?

second:

The only reason, the "Romulan Republic" survives at the moment is because of a bad script. There is virtually no reason for the Federation or the Klingons to have a "neutral Zone" along their borders, where enemy forces can pass through. Therefore - for reasons of war strategy - both would gain very large advantages by extending their "sphere of influence" over Tau Dewa or by plain annexation.

third:

The point, that D'Tan did not deal with the Tal'Shiar and uses "foreign" forces to ensure security should provoke at least some major unrest amonst the population, which is considered to be very patriotic.

fourth:

The "Romulan Republic's" research capacities and capabilities are limited. They even keep losing important researchn persons during the episodes. Therefore a major part of their research relies on cooperation with the Federation and Klingons. And please - would you (as Fed/KDF) share all your research if you knew, that there is a significant chance that it might get its way to your enemy? Therefore it would be - at least from an arms race/indimidation doctrine point of view - vital to cooperate with the Tal'Shiar, which proved repeatedly that their research is far more advanced than the federations or klingons.

&c &c

(just look at the history what happened to small countries which were squeezed between larger countries at war)

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# 10
02-19-2014, 07:54 AM
Saving quote of snowpig:

First - Iota Pavonis / Psi Velorum is "Tal'Shiar" territory, while Taw Dewa is not.
Second - See Switzerland. Possibly Poland before Molotov/Ribbentrop around WW II. Etc.
Third - Last I checked, the "police" forces are still 100% Romulan (Reman). A lot of the Taw Dewa sector patrol force is Romulan as well. Therefore, at current, the Federation forces in the area are "protecting" against a Klingon incursion/annexation attempt, and the KDF is doing the same against the Federation. Classic "let's you and him fight" scenerio.
Fourth - They sure seem able to design ships - Ar'kif etc. classes. They are also doing quite a number on poking around Solanae sphere. Yes, the Feds & KDF aren't sharing their "top secret" secrets, but then again, neither is the Republic. However, espionage is easier when you're allowed to roam freely instead of having to pass as Vulcan everywhere you go...
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