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# 1 MACO TR-117 Battle Rifle
02-04-2014, 05:38 PM
I'll cut to the chase. The MACO Phaser Battle Rifle is an operable weapon. However... it doesn't feel SPECIAL enough to give it the distinction of a Reputation item. Let's take a look at other Reputation weapons:
  • Honor Guard Pulsewave. Shotgun... WITH A GRENADE LAINCHER. Feels special.
  • Plasma Flamethrower. IS A FLAMETHROWER. Pretty damned special.
  • Nukara Cryo Full Auto Rifle/Compressed Cryo Launcher. Deals Cold damage and freezes people.
  • Shattering Harmonics Crystalline Sword. Not only has the added damage when it absorbs energy, but it can FIRE the energy as a High Density Beam. That's REALLY cool.
  • Experimental Proton Rifle. Expose AND exloit attacks without need for a weapon swap. Deals PROTON damage (which isn't hugely significant, but it IS unique - Protonic Polaron weapons only have a CHANCE to do it).

The MACO Rifle... is a stock Phaser Sniper Rifle with decent stats and a different animation and sound effect. It doesn't FEEL special (for that matter, neither does the Antiproton Autocarbine - I'll address that, too). But something else doesn't make sense.

In 2372, Jean-Luc Picard had a problem on his new ship. That problem was Borg. But Picard remembered... hey, wasn't there a HUGE period in human history that saw the use (and unfortunate MIS-use) of non-energy-based weapons? Something that hit things with other things? Picard went on to prove that even holographic versions are quite effective against Borg. But wait... wasn't there also an incident on Deep Space Nine (where Task Force Omega has its headquarters) during the Dominion War where a Starfleet Officer went bonkers and killed two other officers with a very similar weapon?

Fact of the matter is, SOMEONE in the Military Assault Command Operations division should know what a "gun" is. And they should be smart enough to think "hey, the Borg can't adapt to THAT!" After all, they're fighting alongside KLINGONS. And what does a Klingon do when it's mad? KLINGON SMASH. Klingons use SWORDS. Surely someone in Starfleet (besides the player) - or, better, Admiral D'Vak himself - has realized that the Borg don't adapt to being punched in the FACE. Maybe someone has figured out how to use that to their advantage by NOW. Especially considering that the TR-116 is said to be used by MACO in the only book set around Star Trek Online. Picking up my copy of it (well-worn from several readings), it says such on page 21. At length - the entirety of that page is devoted to the weapon.

I'm proposing making the MACO Rifle... a bit more special, if nothing else. However, as some players know, we have the TR-116 in-game. It was a preorder bonus. If you didn't preorder the game, you're S-O-L. But, MACO also isn't STUPID. It can figure out how to make a gun. So, I propose thus:
The Preorder TR-116A remains unaltered.
The MACO Phaser Battle Rifle becomes the MACO TR-116B (or TR-117) Battle Rifle. Its primary fire launches a bullet. The SECONDARY fire launches an Incendiary Round (inspired by events in the Star Trek: Destiny series). The Incendiary Round requires line of sight (unlike the secondary fire of the 116A, which does NOT need line of sight), would be an exploit power (basically a Sniper Shot) and would inflict a debuff similar to Fuse Armor, but with a Fire DoT (a small one - basically the hot bullet slags your target's armor at the impact point). Both the Primary and Secondary Fires would be tied to an ammo system (like fuel in the Flamethrower, only expressed as a number). While you have the rifle set as your current weapon, you gain a power called Reload. A three-second channel to refill your ammunition. More importantly, the Borg WILL NOT ADAPT to this weapon, providing consistent fire after adaption occurs. That's... a bit more noteworthy than "oh look shiny new animation."

Now, I also mentioned earlier that the Omega Autocarbine felt kind of unspecial. It's a reskinned AP Full Auro Rifle with new sounds, after all. However, making THIS special is more tough. Can't do bullets, we just did that. But, I think I've come up with something that fits the themes, as I see them, of Omega Force: Stealth and mixed tech. It also does something a lot of players have been wanting: More melee weapons.
So, I propose making the Autocarbine into the Omega Force Charged Katana. Simply, this would be a swift melee weapon with good armor penetration (ignores 10% of target's damage resist as a passive). The Pommel Strike would have an added effect - imparting an energy surge similar to the ability Nausicaan Elite Raiders use to lock down players. The weapon design is human, but the "charged" pommel strike is Nausicaan (and Nausicaans are part of the KDF). Particularly effective for hit-and-run strikes (which are good against the Borg) and close-quarters defense (which most fights against the Borg are).

So, that's my proposal for making the less special rep items more worthwhile. Whether or not it would be retroactive would be up to players. Feedback is welcome.

EDIT: after explaining my stance on things being retroactive, I have decided: NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE RETROACTIVE. This would purely be an add-on to what we have now.
CHARACTER GRID (@Lord-Ice):
___ |___ _ Fed ____| ____ _KDF __ ____| Rom
Tac_|_Thomas Hale_| __ __Illusion _____| Silence (K)
Eng | ___Antilles _ _| _ Mirror Rygobeth__| N'Vek (F)
Sci _| __ Rygobeth _| _Lukor Son of Q'Tar | Devala (F)

Last edited by icegavel; 02-20-2014 at 06:21 PM.
Rihannsu
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# 2
02-04-2014, 10:54 PM
I second this. I have the TR-116 from the Target preorder and I'd love for a modified weapon with proper stylization and everything to find its way into the game. The idea of using old-fashioned slugthrowers against the Borg was always something I found awesome and I'd definitely buy into this if it happened.
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# 3
02-05-2014, 04:55 AM
I like my MACO and Omega weapons the way they are right now, actually. I'm sure others feel the same way.

However, it's still a good idea... maybe make those weapons as separate items or even their own sets instead of changing the existing weapons?

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# 4
02-05-2014, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by admiralnat View Post
I like my MACO and Omega weapons the way they are right now, actually. I'm sure others feel the same way.

However, it's still a good idea... maybe make those weapons as separate items or even their own sets instead of changing the existing weapons?
I considered this, actually. Hence my ambiguity on the retroactive nature of the change - some people like the weapons now. It's not inconceivable that the organizations would have two weapons as standard (Starfleet, after all, has three different types of standard issue phaser rifle - the ones from the Enterprise-E, the LEGO phaser rifles from the Dominion War, and the compression phaser rifle from Voyager). I was simply confused as to how they would differentiate - I could see it being confusing.
CHARACTER GRID (@Lord-Ice):
___ |___ _ Fed ____| ____ _KDF __ ____| Rom
Tac_|_Thomas Hale_| __ __Illusion _____| Silence (K)
Eng | ___Antilles _ _| _ Mirror Rygobeth__| N'Vek (F)
Sci _| __ Rygobeth _| _Lukor Son of Q'Tar | Devala (F)
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# 5
02-05-2014, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by icegavel View Post
I considered this, actually. Hence my ambiguity on the retroactive nature of the change - some people like the weapons now. It's not inconceivable that the organizations would have two weapons as standard (Starfleet, after all, has three different types of standard issue phaser rifle - the ones from the Enterprise-E, the LEGO phaser rifles from the Dominion War, and the compression phaser rifle from Voyager). I was simply confused as to how they would differentiate - I could see it being confusing.
It could even be holographic ( with safeties off ) from a special mobile emitter, with a costume unlock that you could fit on at the tailor
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# 6
02-05-2014, 09:33 PM
We need to make this longer than the Galaxy tread, and i support this idea
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# 7
02-05-2014, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by natthaan View Post
We need to make this longer than the Galaxy tread, and i support this idea
Not necessarily BIGGER than that thread, as that concept is equally (if not MORE) worthy of the attention it pleads for. There are, after all, many things this game needs to change and improve. The Galaxy thread is one, this is another. So long as we stand united in our desire to see the game bettered, it will eventually be done.

Though, it's nice seeing I'm not totally mental and that someone agrees with me.
CHARACTER GRID (@Lord-Ice):
___ |___ _ Fed ____| ____ _KDF __ ____| Rom
Tac_|_Thomas Hale_| __ __Illusion _____| Silence (K)
Eng | ___Antilles _ _| _ Mirror Rygobeth__| N'Vek (F)
Sci _| __ Rygobeth _| _Lukor Son of Q'Tar | Devala (F)
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# 8
02-05-2014, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by captsol View Post
I second this. I have the TR-116 from the Target preorder and I'd love for a modified weapon with proper stylization and everything to find its way into the game. The idea of using old-fashioned slugthrowers against the Borg was always something I found awesome and I'd definitely buy into this if it happened.
I have one too. I've even nicknamed mine the "Charlton Heston".

My favorite thing about the TR-116 is that when you zoom in on your toon while firing the weapon, you can even hear and see the spent shell casings being ejected from the weapon as it fires. Any new variation on this weapon simply must replicate that feature.
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# 9
02-06-2014, 08:47 AM
I was thinking about this just the other night. I'm surprised that they haven't come out with some sort of new kinetic damage rifle like the old TR-116A, or make a mk XII of it at least. I'm sure someone can work the numbers so that it's comparable to other reputation level weapons (e.g. vs. shields, vs. non-living, etc.)
I'm sure that having a "No LOS" ability will have the nerfers out in droves, but again, I'm sure the devs could still come up with something.
I support the OP's ideas on this one.

Last edited by cowdoc0077; 02-06-2014 at 08:51 AM.
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# 10
02-06-2014, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cowdoc0077 View Post
I was thinking about this just the other night. I'm surprised that they haven't come out with some sort of new kinetic damage rifle like the old TR-116A, or make a mk XII of it at least. I'm sure someone can work the numbers so that it's comparable to other reputation level weapons (e.g. vs. shields, vs. non-living, etc.)
I'm sure that having a "No LOS" ability will have the nerfers out in droves, but again, I'm sure the devs could still come up with something.
I support the OP's ideas on this one.
If I recall (though I wasn't around at the time), the TR-116 Preorder bonus (which has been in-game since launch - of course it has, it's a PREORDER perk) didn't get that much flak. But then, it was a Target-exclusive preorder. Not many oeple had it and fewer used it. I've not seen it in action... actually ever. I remembered this idea (I'm not the first to wonder about it on these forums) because Smirk actually tweeted a picture of a character in the new Solanae Sentinel EV Suit and the player was holding the weapon (I recognized it at once - the orange holo-effects around the muzzle are a dead giveaway, since other phaser rifles that have similar effects all use blue).

But, like I said, the no LOS attribute would actually remain the property of the preorder rifle. The MACO one would drop the micro-transporter (MACO assuming that the Borg would be able to trace it and do horrible things, even if Starfleet can't trace it), but would use incendiary rounds as a secondary fire to damage Borg components and melt armor.
CHARACTER GRID (@Lord-Ice):
___ |___ _ Fed ____| ____ _KDF __ ____| Rom
Tac_|_Thomas Hale_| __ __Illusion _____| Silence (K)
Eng | ___Antilles _ _| _ Mirror Rygobeth__| N'Vek (F)
Sci _| __ Rygobeth _| _Lukor Son of Q'Tar | Devala (F)
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