Originally Posted by KiraWolf

thanks... atleast some feds have some brains and try to think of tactics instead of qq on forums.

Originally Posted by 3ulogy

they could get rid of our cloak altogether and it wouldnt worry me(hardly ever use it anyway) so long as we get hull/shield strength in line with feds along with easily obtainable gear and ship variation at tier 5

Originally Posted by Rothnang

I acctually fly exclusively science ships, and I can tell you from experience that decloaking only works at between 2-3 km range, so it does absolutely nothing for you.

If a Klingon sees your fleet and decides he doesn't want to fight you, he just turns away and waits for his buddies while 20km away. No chance of being decloaked and killed there.

If a Klingon fleet decides to attack you, they come to within 5-10km, drop cloak and start picking off targets. No chance of being decloaked and killed here either.

Science ships do not give the federation an edge.

Furthermore, even if Science ships did provide a wide bubble of cloak detection for your fleet, like let's say 15km in every direction. It still wouldn't help you to go on the offensive, because Klingon ships are not only stealthy, they are also faster than federation ships, so they could still linger just outside detection range for however long they please without ever posing a target to you. Of course you'd have it a little easier to fight them than now if they had to cross a 5km threshhold to get to attack position while uncloaked, but on the overall, what matters in PvP isn't your HP or your damage or anything like that, it's your ability to pick fights, go on the offensive, gain innitiative and control the engagement. If you're not stealthy and you're not quick you can't do that.

It's kind of like those Gorn Augments you fight. Sure, if you just stand there they will pummel you into oblivion, but if you simply back off, and dance around them they go down eventually.

Originally Posted by Rothnang

Even if the federation won 100% of the time, as long as you are automatically on the defensive it would still suck.

This whole post is about how win/loss ratios make no difference, simply the mode of combat is uninteresting because it assigns offensive and defensive by default rather than by strategy and initiative.

If you're in the federation you can't make a bold move, pressure your enemy, grab the initiative or catch your opponent off guard, you can only cower and wait, and that's all.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's still boring.

Originally Posted by Cortofuego

So when FvF comes out, what nerfs will the Feds call for then?

Korthok

Originally Posted by Rothnang

Oh, and I bet nobody ever uncloaks in those matches just so some fighting finally happens.




I doubt they would play KvF matches anymore because thei're boring and pointless. Putting an entire faction on the defensive by default is easily one of the top ten worst game design choices in an MMO ever.