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# 1 Shields....cloaks
02-03-2010, 09:26 PM
In the show dont the federations shields set them apart from any other fleet? Starfleet is always focusing on defensive abilities, even their attack escorts have better shields than enemy escorts. This is to compensate for the lack of cloaking devices and such, they have to protect their ship.

but im not seeing this O-o klingon ships seem to have just as much defensive ability, AND cloak. What am I missing? So far in the arenas, its klingons form up cloaked, all come out at once, 5 ships mow one or two down. Then they all cloak. Then they wait 5 minutes and do it again. If starfleet is lucky, they can take one or two out. If EVERYONE focuses on the same one.

I play both sides, and space pvp my klingon is the best hands down O_O, ground pvp....I dunno whats going on there, I love it, but the holds are ****in me off!
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# 2
02-03-2010, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Duskwood
In the show dont the federations shields set them apart from any other fleet? Starfleet is always focusing on defensive abilities, even their attack escorts have better shields than enemy escorts. This is to compensate for the lack of cloaking devices and such, they have to protect their ship.

but im not seeing this O-o klingon ships seem to have just as much defensive ability, AND cloak. What am I missing? So far in the arenas, its klingons form up cloaked, all come out at once, 5 ships mow one or two down. Then they all cloak. Then they wait 5 minutes and do it again. If starfleet is lucky, they can take one or two out. If EVERYONE focuses on the same one.

I play both sides, and space pvp my klingon is the best hands down O_O, ground pvp....I dunno whats going on there, I love it, but the holds are ****in me off!
Take a look at the Hull and shields numbers between a BoP and a Raptor, then look at these numbers for a Fed Escort (the ship with the lowest hull and shields on the Fed side) you'll see that they are lower for the Klingon ships. The BoP was in Open Beta and I do not believe it has changed 5% less hull than the Fed Escort.
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# 3
02-03-2010, 10:09 PM
The Klingon NPC who tells you about ship types does say that the Raptor and BOP have a negative to shields and a boost to weapons. He's not specific about the values.

So yes, I think if a BOP and a Fed Cruiser equip the same shield, the BOP will get less actual hit points out of it. Should ask around next time a match is over and people are waiting to leave.


Problem is it might be hard to find a Fed using the same shield Klingons have. I imagine most of them are using quest reward/loot drop shields that may not match the stuff Klingons can get from vendors.
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# 4
02-03-2010, 11:00 PM
klingons ships have lower hulls and shields to start with. Also the shiled items feds get tend to have higher shield and regen stats than the ones klingons have access too.
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# 5
02-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Ok, let's just say it was super hard to let go of the MKII fed shield that I mailed to my Klingon, I exchanged that green shield for a blue MKIV that had 200 less shields but about 20 more regen... So yes, klingongs get bad shields compared to federation. Also, bird of prey has universal BO's so many people running with a bunch of engineers to stay afloat. This lesser shield in power (not regen) is the strongest shield we can get in T2 as a Klingon.
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# 6
02-04-2010, 02:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duskwood
In the show dont the federations shields set them apart from any other fleet? Starfleet is always focusing on defensive abilities, even their attack escorts have better shields than enemy escorts. This is to compensate for the lack of cloaking devices and such, they have to protect their ship.

but im not seeing this O-o klingon ships seem to have just as much defensive ability, AND cloak. What am I missing? So far in the arenas, its klingons form up cloaked, all come out at once, 5 ships mow one or two down. Then they all cloak. Then they wait 5 minutes and do it again. If starfleet is lucky, they can take one or two out. If EVERYONE focuses on the same one.

I play both sides, and space pvp my klingon is the best hands down O_O, ground pvp....I dunno whats going on there, I love it, but the holds are ****in me off!
YOu have way more hull and shields than us.


SO you have what you want in the game.

GO play klingon if you want to know how underdog they SORT of are at the moment.

We dont have half the luxuries that the Fed players have to gear up and stay level.
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# 7
02-04-2010, 03:28 AM
Hmm.. how about feds get a bit more tools to detect cloaked ships (with some effort) and klingon ships get an evasion bonus when moving around at faster speeds or a bit more hull/shield? It would promote more dog fighting and less cloak, wait and shoot, cloak again tactics.
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# 8
02-04-2010, 03:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duskwood
In the show dont the federations shields set them apart from any other fleet? Starfleet is always focusing on defensive abilities, even their attack escorts have better shields than enemy escorts. This is to compensate for the lack of cloaking devices and such, they have to protect their ship.

but im not seeing this O-o klingon ships seem to have just as much defensive ability, AND cloak. What am I missing? So far in the arenas, its klingons form up cloaked, all come out at once, 5 ships mow one or two down. Then they all cloak. Then they wait 5 minutes and do it again. If starfleet is lucky, they can take one or two out. If EVERYONE focuses on the same one.

I play both sides, and space pvp my klingon is the best hands down O_O, ground pvp....I dunno whats going on there, I love it, but the holds are ****in me off!
Paper thin hulls. Also if a klingon pilot invested in the BO skills to out last a fed, he sure as hell is not going to kill you before your buddies show up.
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# 9
02-04-2010, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sephirius View Post
Hmm.. how about feds get a bit more tools to detect cloaked ships (with some effort) and klingon ships get an evasion bonus when moving around at faster speeds or a bit more hull/shield? It would promote more dog fighting and less cloak, wait and shoot, cloak again tactics.
Bad Idea. Better cloaking detection would mean you have to increase the damage klingon ships do 10-15% because you're negating the dps they would do during the element of surprise. Then the feds would ball up again because they die too fast out in the open and back to square 1.
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# 10
02-04-2010, 03:37 AM
Who has greater/smaller hulls/shield doesnt matter much tbh.

heals + rezistances / sci CCs > pure dmg > starting values of shields/hull

It may not be so noticable on lower tiers, but its very noticable on higher ones.
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