Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 345
# 1 Disappointment and confusion
02-19-2014, 08:07 AM
Regarding this:

"NOTE: Purchasing any one of the 9 ships individually, or any one of the 3-pack bundles, will make the account ineligible to purchase the 9-pack bundle. Also, purchasing one of the factional ships individually will make the account ineligible to purchase that factionís 3-pack bundle."

I know it's against forum rules to call out devs, so I won't... but I would not be upset to see a response from someone in some position of knowledge or authority...

Could someone please explain what is the reason for this kind of heavy-handedness? I don't know all that many people who have even 5000 Zen just lying around. I understand that there is a profit motive, I have no problem with that.

But if I can't afford 10k today, and instead purchase one ship, why would you begrudge me the ability to go back later (if I like the ship) and purchase the rest of the pack, and spend MORE than the intended cost to get the 9-pack, or a 3-pack?

Am I reading this incorrectly as nothing more than forcing me to reach into my wallet today or forego a good deal forever? (I understand that this is not a 'need' issue, rather a 'want' issue... but is it getting to the point of pseudo-extortion?)

You wouldn't be trying to stick me with... an surplus shipment of self-sealing stembolts, would you?
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It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
02-19-2014, 08:12 AM
It didn't ever bother me with the 3 pack, because if you buy one, the other two are $50 so it's fine, but with this pack, the restriction is pretty bad. Frankly, since these ships are not that good anyway, it's either buy them all or don't buy any of them.
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# 3
02-19-2014, 08:15 AM
I am not saying I agree with it, but most MMOs I have played prevent people from buying the same thing twice to avoid the headaches that come with dealing with people that are so stupid they bought the same thing twice and then got mad about it.

On the surface, this seems like an extension of the above, poorly implemented but with that theme in mind. Its my best guess for the "why" logic.

The only other thing that comes to mind would be some sort of inability to make it work properly --- perhaps buying the same item twice borks something in their database.

Its not greed or profits .... the greedy thing to do is allow people to buy it all over and over again.

Personally I think it should warn you (you already own part of this package, do you still want it?) and then let you buy it.
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
02-19-2014, 08:19 AM
Someone in Zone was crowing the other day about getting 10,000somethingmore Zen for his 9 pack. How they did that is beyond me, but that may be part of it.
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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# 5
02-19-2014, 08:21 AM
The only 3 pack that's worth buying is Scimitar, and only if you want the consoles for pvp. If you're sucker enough to buy this 9 pack, you should feel bad.
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# 6
02-19-2014, 08:44 AM
I think the 9 pack or any of the 3 packs will only appeal to players with completionist issues who gotta have every ship in the game.

I bought the Odd Duck 3 pack and I am disappoint.
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# 7
02-19-2014, 08:49 AM
In the past... people have whined that they bought one ship and now want the other two and should be eligible for the 3 pack price and get the other two. Basically, trying it out on one and then deciding to buy a 3 pack and wanting to be credited for the first one they bought. This sort of alleviates that thought process by saying if you buy one you aren't eligible for the bundle price.

Why would you buy the bundle anyways if you bought one already? You would simply just buy the other two. The simple answer is wait until you have enough zen to buy the bundle if that's what you want.

As for earning zen... I made over 1.5 million dilithium this past bonus weekend on my account which is more than enough to buy the 9 pack bundle not to mention I had earned 6k in zen previously by converting dilithium I already had. It's not that hard to do and I think a lot of people earned their dilithium in anticipation of using it for this.

I plan on buying the 9 pack because this will be the best science ship in the game for now especially for Klingons and Romulans. I have 6 science toons who can use this ship and swap with my vesta bundle or my atrox.

Think about it like this... If I want just the science version, one for each faction, I am going to spend 2500 zen each or 7500 zen. I might as well pony up 2500 more zen and have all nine and the associated consoles and set bonuses.

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# 8
02-19-2014, 08:57 AM
Thank everyone who said "suck it up" about the whole anniversary grind thing- this is just the next step in that unified plan, hope they like it as well. All hail our Chinese overlords!
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# 9
02-19-2014, 09:09 AM
It is basic math:

Purchase 1 ship: 2,500 Zen.
Purchase 3 ships individually: 7,500 Zen.
Purchase 3-Pack: 5,000 Zen.
Purchase 1 ship and then attempt to purchase 3-Pack: 7,500 Zen.

IE, the cost is the same. You will get no cost-break by purchasing 1 and then attempting to get the 3-Pack later. Since the cost is the same it is simply easier on their system to require you to purchase each ship individually then it is for you to buy a single and then also try and buy the 3-Pack.
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# 10
02-19-2014, 09:11 AM
I am passing on them. The free ones were enough of a judge to know the cstore versions wont be worth the price.
Should have been a three pack with one per faction. Each faction gets one of the unique consoles that then unlocks for all factions on an account.

Making 9 of the same ship is almost criminal..

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