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Lt. Commander
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# 11
02-04-2010, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Tier 1: It's okay
Tier 2: Overpowered
Tier 3: You crazy?

First off Cryptic, nice having Federations and Klingons spawn immediately at the Start of the Resource Battle. Really makes sense.

4 Tier 3 BoPs and 1 K'T'inga vs 3 Federation Heavy Cruisers and 3 Escort Cruisers, over in 30 seconds. 1 Loss on the Klingon side, and 3 Federation losses.


Still think they aren't overpowered?


So what's Tier 4 and Tier 5 going to be like?
Someday you'll look back on this post and facepalm, if you're still around - considering pretty much all you have done is whine about how unbalanced everything is against you.

At some point, you really just have to admit you aren't very good and be humble about that.

For feds to lose badly in t3, considering how powerful science becomes at that tier, you have to be facerolling.
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# 12
02-04-2010, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by antilles1 View Post
Feds win most space PvP battles in T3. Want to know why you lost? The absolute hardest thing for Klingons to counter is a healing/debuffing science ship. You had none. The easiest thing for Klingons to kill? Escorts, you had 3.

A focus firing ball of 2 science ships and 2-3 cruisers is pretty much unstoppable.
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Originally Posted by Rothnang
Yes, a focus firing ball of cruisers and science ship forces klingons to engine battery + evasive maneuvers so often that they feel like they had to work for their victory.
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Originally Posted by petie86 View Post
Exactly this - no Science Ship, I was getting shot at 10km cloaked earlier by a science ship
I didn't think they could see me that far, but obviously they could
Yep, as a Fed Engineer captaining a Science ship in T3, I have to say, the lack of a sci ship in the OP's matches is the reason they lost.

Between heals, killing all the Klingons shields and blocking cloak with CPB, Targeting their engines so they couldn't flee, launcher plasma torpedoes with Torpedo Spread and dropping mines with Dispersal pattern beta, I was doing a lot of AoE damage to shields and hulls, as well as adding those plasma DoTs all over the place. All of which lead to a few close battles, a few steamrolled battles, but all wins for the Federation. This, was with a PuG in each battle.
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# 13
02-04-2010, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Monthar
Yep, as a Fed Engineer captaining a Science ship in T3, I have to say, the lack of a sci ship in the OP's matches is the reason they lost.

Between heals, killing all the Klingons shields and blocking cloak with CPB, Targeting their engines so they couldn't flee, launcher plasma torpedoes with Torpedo Spread and dropping mines with Dispersal pattern beta, I was doing a lot of AoE damage to shields and hulls, as well as adding those plasma DoTs all over the place. All of which lead to a few close battles, a few steamrolled battles, but all wins for the Federation. This, was with a PuG in each battle.
Monthar is proof.

I do his same tricks as a KDF in a bop - while less specialized, no less devastating and it turns close fights into solid victories.
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# 14
02-04-2010, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Azurian View Post
Tier 1: It's okay
Tier 2: Overpowered
Tier 3: You crazy?

First off Cryptic, nice having Federations and Klingons spawn immediately at the Start of the Resource Battle. Really makes sense.

4 Tier 3 BoPs and 1 K'T'inga vs 3 Federation Heavy Cruisers and 3 Escort Cruisers, over in 30 seconds. 1 Loss on the Klingon side, and 3 Federation losses.


Still think they aren't overpowered?


So what's Tier 4 and Tier 5 going to be like?

Uninformed "I lost so I QQ" thread.

yay. They're starting to add up.

Play klingon. You'll see whats really going on.
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# 15
02-04-2010, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by panzerbunny View Post
Play klingon. You'll see whats really going on.
They don't even need to do this, just learn what the ships and bridge officers can do and adapt accordingly.
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# 16
02-04-2010, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by antilles1 View Post
Feds win most space PvP battles in T3. Want to know why you lost? The absolute hardest thing for Klingons to counter is a healing/debuffing science ship. You had none. The easiest thing for Klingons to kill? Escorts, you had 3.

A focus firing ball of 2 science ships and 2-3 cruisers is pretty much unstoppable.
Again, this wasn't a normal PvP match, this was the Broken Borg Resource Battle. Not exactly have time to get in a defensive positions of a Fed Ball when the enemy is literally on top of you.


And some of you easily point out the Federation's weakness in PvP, if we have to have Science Ships.

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This just makes me think you dont know how to setup a premade, and have no idea what abilities your ships should be using.
See, this is the constant theme here on the PvP forum, "IF you don't know what you're doing, get out of here". Even without presenting a logical explaination.

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Originally Posted by Meat_Machine
Someday you'll look back on this post and facepalm, if you're still around - considering pretty much all you have done is whine about how unbalanced everything is against you.

At some point, you really just have to admit you aren't very good and be humble about that.

For feds to lose badly in t3, considering how powerful science becomes at that tier, you have to be facerolling.
There you go again, trolling and accusing me of sucking and yet your admitting it's my fault for not having a Science ship here.

So do quick contradicting yourself so easily.

And you still havn't responded to my challenges, so you're just full of it.
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# 17
02-04-2010, 01:28 PM
I have noticed escorts need a huge buff as they...suck. Once you get focus fired there isn't anything you can do and since they nerfed our only version of stealth, which protects the Klingons, we get targeted first then ***** with no vaseline. Once Klingons realize how OP Ktinga's are T3 PvP will side more with Klingons, but until then when you are against T3 BoP's Feds usually will win because Defense > Offense in this game. If you are full DPS build and go head to head with a full tank build you will lose most of the time.
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# 18
02-04-2010, 01:30 PM
Ok, please dont even complain about the Borg PvP. That zone is too easy for Klingons and there might be so many outside influnces that helped the Klingons win. For example, the Borg sometimes completely disable your shield, it would be a piece of cake for Klingons to pick off target already fighting the Borg. If that is not the case then again there is a question of what abilities were used by both teams. Did your entire team have RSP? Who other abilities used.

Remeber the Klinks have a tactical advantage over the Feds in the form of a BoP, a versatile ship that allows you to fit any type of BO. If you have to put some of your tactical officer into cruisers then thats a sacrifice you must make.
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# 19
02-04-2010, 01:31 PM
Dont take a balanced team into PvP you die, thats what happen, thats what nearly always happens in every game.

Stop complaining about the game being unbalanced and klingons being OP when your not even bothering with the tools in the game designed to counter the things your moaning about.

What do you want us to tell you? Your doing it all right and the game just doesnt like you?
I've responed in alot of your QQ threads, givern advice, tried to give help - and what happens? Next day your back on the forums moaning something else is OP because you lost.

Yea, you dont get anymore useful info - you get L2P L2P L2P and for the love of god L2P.
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# 20
02-04-2010, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Fiss View Post
I have noticed escorts need a huge buff as they...suck. Once you get focus fired there isn't anything you can do and since they nerfed our only version of stealth, which protects the Klingons, we get targeted first then ***** with no vaseline. Once Klingons realize how OP Ktinga's are T3 PvP will side more with Klingons, but until then when you are against T3 BoP's Feds usually will win because Defense > Offense in this game. If you are full DPS build and go head to head with a full tank build you will lose most of the time.
I am of the opinion that escorts are just terrible on both sides.
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