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I just got done reading a thread about someone who wants cannon class weapons for feds only. I could not help but get angry, but rather than retaliate I decided to look further into this idea. True, klingons do put out more damage than a fed. True, feds take much more damage compared to the comprable klingon ship class for class. False, klingons are the reason for the nerf to cannons.

The thing to remember is it is also what skills we are using in conjunction to ship equipment and the enemy ships captain. What I believe is happening to this particular person is they are in an escort class fed ship, possibly using sub-par gear, and the klingons attacking them are using the best PvP gear for the rank they are at.

What is uncalled for is the comment they made about how cannon class guns should be fed only. If it were to be fed only, that would imbalance the game further than it is. So, lets speculate on why there are different types of weapons, shall we.

Beam weapons = primarily for federation
Disruptor weapons = primarily klingon
plasma weapons = primarily romulan

If one thinks about it, at least as far as the TV shows go, then the above statement does make sense. But, this is not the TV show, this is a game. So, please try to remember that and have some fun with it. Stop complaining that this and that needs a nerf. This game has barely been out a week, and the klingons who play this side primarily, can also make the cross complaint about how well armored and shielded the cruiser class is for the feds. But, that is neither here nor there and not the point of this thread. The point of this thread was to get you thinking about where this game will be in a month from now, or even a year. Just relax and have fun with it, and if you find yourself getting killed alot in PvP, take a second out to look at the reason and get what is needed to fix it. If you do this, then I think you will have alot more fun than calling for a nerf or something.
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# 2
02-05-2010, 05:44 AM
If you are replying to a post, which you clearly are, it is better to reply than to make a new thread about it.
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# 3
02-05-2010, 05:46 AM
The number on reason for FED complaints is this. Klingons know that there side has little PvE, they are more experienced at PvP. A Fed player does his PvE missions with easy requiring little skill or knowledge of the mechanics of the game (ie that certain skills buff certain powers). They go to play a PvP match and get rolled. They call Klingons OP and complain about it (because they should be winning and don't realize their own lack of skill.) The skills for each side are essentially the same. The Feds have the advantage of the science ships, there is no Klingon equivalent. Premades are where PvP is at. If either side has a premade team it usually wins. Fed or Klingon.
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# 4
02-05-2010, 05:49 AM
What sydous said. If you play PVE, you've most likely been left completely in the dark about what good strategies have evolved in PVP. In PVP, you get to play against what you COULD be, but aren't.

So maybe' you've done 10-15 games in pvp and you consider yourself a pvp-er. I've done over 800 games, and I know a good player from a bad one. I've seen good players from every side from every ship from every class. I KNOW that if a player is losing, it's because he didn't have the skill to win, because the game is all there and its all the same to everyone.
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# 5
02-05-2010, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Hundredth View Post
What sydous said. If you play PVE, you've most likely been left completely in the dark about what good strategies have evolved in PVP. In PVP, you get to play against what you COULD be, but aren't.
This, and they dont even bother to ask for strategies.

I should not be able to point out 20 different things people on my team could be doing better in every match. Maybe 2 or 3, not 20. (I could different people making the same mistake seperately )

Fed healing should not be 0 for ALL escorts.
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# 6
02-05-2010, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sydous View Post
The number on reason for FED complaints is this. Klingons know that there side has little PvE, they are more experienced at PvP. A Fed player does his PvE missions with easy requiring little skill or knowledge of the mechanics of the game (ie that certain skills buff certain powers). They go to play a PvP match and get rolled. They call Klingons OP and complain about it (because they should be winning and don't realize their own lack of skill.) The skills for each side are essentially the same. The Feds have the advantage of the science ships, there is no Klingon equivalent. Premades are where PvP is at. If either side has a premade team it usually wins. Fed or Klingon.
This^^

Definitely.
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# 7
02-05-2010, 05:55 AM
The post in question is little more than someone who either doesnt understand how to PvP properly, thinks they do, or someone who truly does know how to PvP and genuinely believes in calling for a nerf. In whatever case, the thread is to large and to many people bickering back and forth. I want people to read this thread and be informed, it is not about you or the ship you are in when you get into a PvP que and do PvP. It is about what level you are compared to who and how many are attacking you, what gear your ship has and what gear the attack ship or ships has. It really does come down to simple math when you PvP if you will win or not.

If you get attacked by 2 then your chances go down to 33%, if you get a 1v1 then it is 50% and you ambush someone who is distracted your odds of surviving are fairly high. But, this does not take into account any level difference, any gear difference, or any experience with STO PvP. If you are using base equipment for your PvP que range, then you should not PvP until you get at least top tier for your tier shields, weapons, and your choice of consoles for your main skills that you use. If you upgrade yourself in those areas with the PvP bought gear, you will do much better in PvP just from doing that.

Chances are very high if you find yourself as a fed getting mowed down by a single klingon guy over and over in a PvP que instance, then it is highly likely they have top PvP oriented gear and you do not.

Be informed and most of all have fun with the game, and remember it is new and will have things done to make it more fun for both sides. But, please do not call for nerfs of this and that, because that is the inexperienced talking not the experienced people.
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# 8
02-05-2010, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by XedoeSR View Post
It is about what level you are compared to who and how many are attacking you, what gear your ship has and what gear the attack ship or ships has. It really does come down to simple math when you PvP if you will win or not.
You are wrong. The game revolves around what skills are used in what order. White gear is sufficient. Gear has little impact (in space), and level has little impact. By far the most important factor when it comes to deciding a battle are skills (boffs and others).
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# 9
02-05-2010, 06:04 AM
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You are wrong. The game revolves around what skills are used in what order. White gear is sufficient. Gear has little impact (in space), and level has little impact.
You just answered your own reply here. When I said level, that includes what you mentioned here. Sorry for lack of clarity, I thought it was implied with the level you are. But, I do think I know what you mean too, the level of the chosen skill? If so the yes I did neglect to mention that, so thanks for the clarity part on that. Can't be giving away too many klingon secrets hehe.

But, after reading the rest of your comment, I have to disagree about white gear being sufficient. White gear vs PvP gear wont get you very far. Sorry if you think differently, but if something is better than something else, the lesser thing loses out. Basic math, and I just woke up, so please stop bickering with me about what is better than what. You have your opinon that white gear is good, I happen to think PvP gear is good. Maybe this is the reason you lose, but maybe you don't, I do not know you.
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# 10
02-05-2010, 06:07 AM
Level has a huge impact , a lt cmdr 10 has almost all the skills that boost dmg for that tier maxed out , and hence do much more dmg then a lt cmdr 1 character . When i was Lt cmdr 1 i lost most of my games , by the time i got to lt cmdr 6 or 7 and started getting all my pvp gear together from medals and the skills maxed out that increased my dmg i was winning most of my games.
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