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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 35
Hi all. This is my first KDF character lvl 50 gorn captain who is not so happy with the b'rel bop at all. I was saving zen, and fleet modules for my torpedo build. For this iconic kdf ship. But then the doubt kicked in.
This ship status is totally underpowered , and totally outdated by the tvaro - btw. unlike tvaro the b'rel has no special console why ?.
And then on the dawn of the starbase fleet system when the devs were trying to make the fleet version of the b'rel they added the extra 17.9% more HP to the hull that much was it weak. Like the fleet varanus sci ship it has a console slot (fleet version) witch it doesn't really need.
The b'rel bop needs a tac console not a eng who did that? I want his head .
And that's not everything that's wrong with the b'rel . If you don't already have the zen version you need to pay 5 fleet modules (normally 4) for it. And all for a ship of 2000 zen worth that's weird.
Most of the people who try to get this ship is because its enhanced battle cloak.
To shoot torpedoes on gangs of OP feds now I really don't know .

Last edited by robyvision; 03-01-2014 at 03:14 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 678
# 2
03-01-2014, 06:27 PM
I got it largely for the look.
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# 3
03-01-2014, 08:19 PM
I'll be honest the one costume that works on b'rel from qaw'dun or whatever or b'lroth i think maybe doesn't work on the fleet one, the eng console is a bust, plus the enhanced battle cloak is nothing more than a canon gimmick/collectors item since shield tanking is so coveted that they haven't done anything in 3+ years to make it workable but they did make it workable for the t'varo.

I'd save yer resources for the day in maybe when gre'thor freezes over that they address out b'rel complaints.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,273
# 4
03-01-2014, 08:33 PM
The Fleet B'Rel's ENG console instead of TAC or SCI has been questioned since it was first seen. Makes no sense whatsoever.

KDF BOPs in general are underpowered in PVP. Pretty much every TAC oriented build possible is surpassed by the Rom Warbirds since they all have Battle Cloaks, all the bells and whistles, and no design sacrifices. They're elusive, offensively strong, maneuverable, fast, and, unlike the KDF BOPs, have hull & shield mods equal to the best out there. All while KDF BOPs are locked with the old compromises.

If you're going to fly a KDF BOP in PVP... good luck. Speed and maneuverability are your only tickets. You have the worst shield and hull mods in the game (Warbirds sacrifice nothing). Unless flying the Fleet Norgh, you're flying with only 11 BOFF skills instead of 12. Even then, the Fleet Norgh is stuck at 9 consoles for "balance" (I laugh in the face of this when you look at Warbird statistics).

Anyways, if flying the BOP in PVP, realize that you're flying with Eggshells as shields and armor. Your speed, turn, and battle cloak are your only saving graces, but there are ships that are:
* Faster than you (the MANY Bugships out there, and the rare Risian Corvettes are the fastest ships).
* Have Battle Cloaks that require half the time to reactivate than you (Rom Battle Cloaks can be reapplied in as little as 9 seconds)
* Have better staying power than you, while having the same combat capability of the KDF BOP.

Good luck, and Godspeed!

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Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 207
# 5
03-02-2014, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by warmaker001b View Post
You have the worst shield and hull mods in the game (Warbirds sacrifice nothing).
-10 Power Levels to Weapons, Shields, Engines and Auxiliary for having a Singularity Core instead of a Matter/Anti-matter Core is NOT "nothing" as you so blithely assert. It is, however, not that terribly meaningful of a sacrifice, either. Relatively few KDF Raiders can "count their blessings" for having +40 Power in comparison to a T'varo Refit and call it an even trade.
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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# 6
03-02-2014, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by warmaker001b View Post
The Fleet B'Rel's ENG console instead of TAC or SCI has been questioned since it was first seen. Makes no sense whatsoever.

KDF BOPs in general are underpowered in PVP. Pretty much every TAC oriented build possible is surpassed by the Rom Warbirds since they all have Battle Cloaks, all the bells and whistles, and no design sacrifices. They're elusive, offensively strong, maneuverable, fast, and, unlike the KDF BOPs, have hull & shield mods equal to the best out there. All while KDF BOPs are locked with the old compromises.

If you're going to fly a KDF BOP in PVP... good luck. Speed and maneuverability are your only tickets. You have the worst shield and hull mods in the game (Warbirds sacrifice nothing). Unless flying the Fleet Norgh, you're flying with only 11 BOFF skills instead of 12. Even then, the Fleet Norgh is stuck at 9 consoles for "balance" (I laugh in the face of this when you look at Warbird statistics).

Anyways, if flying the BOP in PVP, realize that you're flying with Eggshells as shields and armor. Your speed, turn, and battle cloak are your only saving graces, but there are ships that are:
* Faster than you (the MANY Bugships out there, and the rare Risian Corvettes are the fastest ships).
* Have Battle Cloaks that require half the time to reactivate than you (Rom Battle Cloaks can be reapplied in as little as 9 seconds)
* Have better staying power than you, while having the same combat capability of the KDF BOP.

Good luck, and Godspeed!
Oh come on now, when haven't we fought against all the odds in STO?

Anyway, the B'rel is iconic and although falling back to power creep (as every other design older than 6 months, which is something Cryptic will soon have to adress) it still can be set up to preform admirably by a player that has the idea as to what he/she is doing.
And I maintain the fact that the KDF raiders (BoPs) is the funnest class of ship to play. Well unless you're in Starbase Defense and due to all the glitter, pet spam and wowzer effects the STO engine overheats and drops the frame rate to 0, but that is another thing Cryptic will have to adress soon enough.

Anyway OP, don't compare your ship to other ships - especially Romulan ones. Some of them are designed to be OP on purpose. Your ship is what it is.
If you're like me than you'll say - just the more joy in watching those OPed abominations' burning hulls exploding in front of my miniature B'rel.

P.S. Still hoping for that BoP boost. Kahless knows the BoPs need a hand to properly keep up.
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2013
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# 7
03-02-2014, 08:20 AM
To me the b'rel is the galaxy class of the kdf side. In star trek its the most shown ship of the kdf side. It deserves some dev love and fed hate. The extra tun rate and the enhanced battlecloak is useless if it cant hold on in 1vs1 combat with its romulan rival. The useless eng console on the fleet version is like having a modern jet fighter outfitted with cargo hold for transporting tuna. That need to be corrected its a raider it doesnt need more tanking power even the descriptions of that ship class makes that clear. And there is no room for enjoying the ship just because it ca cloak and run away. If I wanted that I would be flying something like the risian ship and noone would catch me hahaha. The Feds have the most ship choice, the Rom have OP ships and the Kdf have what? ... the ugliest in every comparison.
Like the new dyson destroyer ship .
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# 8
03-02-2014, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by robyvision View Post
The Feds have the most ship choice, the Rom have OP ships and the Kdf have what? ... the ugliest in every comparison.
I beg to differ on that one. I think the KDF has the best looking ships in the game, they all look awesome. Plus we have the best battlecruisers and carriers. And the most fun to play ship class - the raider even though it has fallen a victim of power creep lately.
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# 9
03-02-2014, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by autumnturning View Post
-10 Power Levels to Weapons, Shields, Engines and Auxiliary for having a Singularity Core instead of a Matter/Anti-matter Core is NOT "nothing" as you so blithely assert. It is, however, not that terribly meaningful of a sacrifice, either. Relatively few KDF Raiders can "count their blessings" for having +40 Power in comparison to a T'varo Refit and call it an even trade.
Oh please, the Singularity power level "penalty" is only a concern for still levelling toons and fresh level 50's. Once you got your gear, there is no power issue. There is so much power given from gear, set bonuses, even DOFFs, etc. There is no "penalty" to Singularity Cores, but hey, you guys get some nifty, free Singularity Abilities that literally can save your bacon out of many situations.

More tools for the Escape Artist Bag of Tricks on top of whatever other BOFF skills you can use for evasion and the Romulan Battle Cloak which you can take down to 9 seconds to recloak.

On top of this, Warbirds have no compromise in any category whatsoever. Their handling, shield, hull mods, cloaks, BOFF seating, console arrangements, everything... has no compromise whatsoever.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Go learn the game more across the 3 factions and have a clue before you start to swim with the sharks in this cross-faction stuff.

Warbirds are so laughably easy to play, you should be having "Ride of the Valkyrie" blaring in your background music while you laugh hysterically as you play with what the game lets you get away with.

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# 10
03-02-2014, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by shpoks View Post
Well unless you're in Starbase Defense and due to all the glitter, pet spam and wowzer effects the STO engine overheats and drops the frame rate to 0, but that is another thing Cryptic will have to adress soon enough.
I wouldn't hold your breath too much on that, Shpoks.

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