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Lt. Commander
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# 51
02-05-2010, 05:18 PM
I did not get the memo where the Bird of Prey was made into some uber ship with hidden hull strengths.... yeah, we get universal BO's on the weakest ship in game that can move fast. Were a mosquito with flexible options... same as we were in Open Beta. The only change I can think of was the addition of actual gear in T1... and the nerfing of MES which has changed the T2 Fed uberness (think the biggest baddest ships in game that also have the same major strength of their weaker flying enemies).

There are a TON of options in this game.... do you go as a TANK build? Tank with DPS? Tank with Crowd Control? Damge with Crowd control? Crowd control with heals? I think there are too many FED pve players comming into pvp with the same skills they have just "liked" in pvp... The trick is, you have to experiment with skills, waste thru them to find the ones that match your playstyle. You also have to think about the greater good your character will play.... RULE OF THE NICHE! You have to also remain steady on your game plan... as you play your skills improve.... a poor skill today can become a strong skill tommorow as you put points into sensors, deflectors, emitters, cannons, beams, etc...

SO MANY OPTIONS!!!! so yes, skill comes into play more then anything else... only way to get skill is to practice. You will fail on the way.... There was no button hit that made klingons better... In fact, Klingon's are not better, just a lot of groupping is encouraged on our side. All the feds I chat with just tell me about the idiots trying to lead and the people just charging in not even thinking. Happens on both sides... get over the fact that you can't "eat klingons for breakfast" every match. I sometimes am on the top of scoreboards, and sometimes I don't even get a point....
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# 52
02-05-2010, 07:32 PM
Jumping on the bandwagon.

Learn

To

Play.


Thanks.
Lt. Commander
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# 53
02-05-2010, 08:29 PM
Learn to read.

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=103494

At least 90% of the players in STO a just plain bad. That's why they lose.

Bad PvPers should not post. Garbage in, garbage out.

A World Class PvP team will crush the average Klingon OR Federation team. They will win no matter who they play.

I can admit that I suck in PvP (regarding the link I gave, I would say that on my good days I'm a Fair PvPer--about 15th class as opposed to 1st class). Some people can't admit this.

I know this because I play poker (Hold'em) for money. I've been doing it for 24 years and 20 of those years have been in casino play (on a daily basis). I play vs World Class players. Of course, when I see there are World Class poker players at my table I look around and see if there are enough weak players in the game to make up the difference. If not, I leave. I'm not a World Class poker player. On my good days I would say I'm "Good."

Above me are players who are "Consistently" Good players, Very Good players, Fine Players, Very Fine players, Exceptional players, Very Exceptional players, near World Class players (think Single A, Double A, and Triple A Baseball) and then there are World Class players. And there are some World Class players that are better than other World Class players.

I try to play against weak to fair players. I have beaten other good players through skill but in the long run I lose against the consistently Good players since on my bad days I'm not playing my best game. I know my limitations. I don't always do as I know, but I try. I won't beat a Very Good player in the long run (luck plays a part in the game). I study the game and read the good books about it over and over. But reading a book by Mickey Mantle (The Education of a Baseball Player) won't make you play baseball like Mickey Mantle (though it did help my batting stance and batting average in highschool ball). And reading a very good poker book by Sklansky, Malmuth and a few other World Class players won't make me a World Class player. I know that.


There are PvPers here who are horrible. They don't even know where to begin to think. But they start Nerf posts and speak like they know it all. They have no idea just how badly they play; they think they're clever, just like the weak poker players at my table think they are superstars.

These people know nothing. They are annoying. Their posts are annoying. But I welcome them to my poker table. They have no power to change the rules of poker. And unless the developers are just catering to the wishes of the paying majority, they have no power here.
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# 54
02-05-2010, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
Learn to read.
...
But there are PvPers here who are horrible. They don't even know where to begin to think. But they start Nerf posts and speak like they know it all.

These people know nothing. They are annoying. Their posts are annoying. But I welcome them to my poker table. They have no power to change the rulers of poker. And unless the developers are just catering to the wishes of the paying majority, they have no power here.
Beautiful.

Those who cannot do, accuse.
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# 55
02-05-2010, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nybris
In Beta I ate Klingons for breakfast, the changes at release reversed that.

Only the small of mind really think they are winning so handily because of their uber skill.

PvP in every MMO I have ever played has been unbalanced in favor of one thing or another.

Right now the two things that I'm envying Klingons for is cloak and the ability to slot as many of one type of officer into a ship as they want. Sure it makes the ship one dimensional, but if you play on a team it makes that ship extremely powerful. Especially when the hold immunity timer is broken and you can slot multiple officers with the same hold as you want to completely paralyze a Federation ship until it is dead.

My response to all the Klingons trying to defend their overpowered PvP status right now with responses like learn to play is grow up. If this is the only response you have then you don't have one.
L2P realy.

Ive been into enough matches were Feds had a good going and they are by far not underpowered.

If you just dont know how to utilitize your class and ship, which most Feds are bad at, you lose.

It just takes some skill and good perception to react properly.
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# 56
02-05-2010, 09:11 PM
The funny thing is that as a Klingon I play PvP 100% of the time. I actually feel kind of out of place doing the occasional PvE mission (habitually check to see if they fixed Azure Neb. once a day). Like I'll accidentally "blow my wad" on one little romulan bird-of-prey and then be shooting bee-bee's against that warbird battleship I fly up to 10s later. Now admittedly it's not a big deal being easy-mode PvE but all my BOff's, equipment loadouts, and tactics are designed for PvP exclusively. I have a feeling the reverse is true for the Feds.
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# 57
02-05-2010, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Ardekke
The funny thing is that as a Klingon I play PvP 100% of the time. I actually feel kind of out of place doing the occasional PvE mission (habitually check to see if they fixed Azure Neb. once a day). Like I'll accidentally "blow my wad" on one little romulan bird-of-prey and then be shooting bee-bee's against that warbird battleship I fly up to 10s later. Now admittedly it's not a big deal being easy-mode PvE but all my BOff's, equipment loadouts, and tactics are designed for PvP exclusively. I have a feeling the reverse is true for the Feds.
not really, the good stuff in pve is still the good stuff in pvp. the difference is that you can get away with carrying the bad stuff.
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# 58
02-05-2010, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by faithborn
not really, the good stuff in pve is still the good stuff in pvp. the difference is that you can get away with carrying the bad stuff.
Yeah, but I don't really have much in the way of defensive tanking gear. It's mostly Offense, Counters, and Evasive.
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# 59
02-05-2010, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ardekke
Yeah, but I don't really have much in the way of defensive tanking gear. It's mostly Offense, Counters, and Evasive.
when you hit say, late romulan front with hirogen or early dominion block cardassians you really need to pack defensive crap, because thats where they pull out all the stops (viral matrix, HYT 3, fun s***)
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