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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 76
Hi!

Yesterday we fought a PvP-Fleet (I do not name names though), and:
Oh my god! They had every Spam they could mount onto their Ships!
Tif, AMS, Scramble (with Doff), Black-Hole, Graviton Pulse Generator... Most
of those things even twice or more . They did not field Yellowstones simply
because they did not have a Ship with a Hangar
WHY?

Do some premates really need to spam the arenas?
Are those teams too weak to play in a polite manner?

Many ppl complain about certain Consoles/doff's and strong premates
abuse them? Why?

We (as premates) should show the others skill and not spam!

Greetz Siegfried

PS: It was no private challenge, we q'ed!
Specialist
Join Date: Jan 2014
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# 2
03-31-2014, 05:35 AM
if premates do that you should see how much cheese premades use .
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 777
# 3
03-31-2014, 05:45 AM
They probably watched too much DS9. "In war there is nothing more honorable than victory" as Worf put it.

On a serious note, I am also sick of these people. They think it's fun to roflstomp another team (preferably an unsuspecting PuG). Season 9 though will soon always pit them against another premade. This is most likely the reason why some people are so furiously against the upcoming changes to the PvP queues: They may get a taste of their own cheese in the near future.
Commander
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 266
# 4
03-31-2014, 05:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by teuteburg View Post
Hi!

Yesterday we fought a PvP-Fleet (I do not name names though), and:
Oh my god! They had every Spam they could mount onto their Ships!
Tif, AMS, Scramble (with Doff), Black-Hole, Graviton Pulse Generator... Most
of those things even twice or more . They did not field Yellowstones simply
because they did not have a Ship with a Hangar
WHY?

Do some premates really need to spam the arenas?
Are those teams too weak to play in a polite manner?

Many ppl complain about certain Consoles/doff's and strong premates
abuse them? Why?

We (as premates) should show the others skill and not spam!

Greetz Siegfried

PS: It was no private challenge, we q'ed!


Hey Dude,..


yeah thats the Problem with some Guys.. they cant play without this spam and think they are cool, if they win with that BS.

We all now it better.. this people have no guts to play without P2W.


Its really really bad for Peaople to started PvP.. they play one match and finish.



Quote:
Originally Posted by eisenw0lf View Post
They probably watched too much DS9. "In war there is nothing more honorable than victory" a They may get a taste of their own cheese in the near future.

Yeah.. its easy to find them and intercept the guys in the Future. That will be fine.


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Originally Posted by capthachi View Post
Made me laugh.

We laugh about you and your P2W-SPAM-NOGUTS-CHEEAS Team.

We still punished your Team every Week.. without this BS.




greetings

T'lilu - Fed - Sci / Inner Circle
Dxxdavid - Fed - Tac / Inner Circle

Last edited by grandpadxx; 03-31-2014 at 06:14 AM.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 65
# 5
03-31-2014, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by notrealedna View Post
if premates do that you should see how much cheese premades use .
Made me laugh.

Edit: T'lilu seems a little mad about something, cant quite place my finger on what it is...
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Last edited by capthachi; 03-31-2014 at 06:50 PM.
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# 6
03-31-2014, 06:07 AM
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,460
# 7
03-31-2014, 06:46 AM
Well, there's nothing that stops them from bringing 'cheese'. No balancing mechanism or anything.

And just playing devil's advocate, some 'cheese' is subjective. Almost every fleet in existence has done it at one time or another.

I don't like such behaviour myself, but I can't do anything about it. Just have to grin and bear it. They'll just tell us to 'adapt or die', 'it's in the game so I use it', 'I paid for it so I can use it', or some other tired old cliche.

Maybe I should trot out the old 'what is cheese to you' survey I did the December before LoR. I'd probably have to make it waaay longer than before, though.
Take it easy!

Ishmael@scurry5: A Nibbling Sci
"Squeak?"
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,149
# 8
03-31-2014, 07:31 AM
Another proof that riptilians are better.
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 5,023
# 9
03-31-2014, 08:02 AM
Cheese is less of an issue with the removal of shared CD on team abilitiess. Now you can just clear it and then kill them--cheeseboats dont usually have a lot of power, and have to kill you slowly, which is impossible when you can clear the cheese and turn around to kill them.

Spamming is a problem with the overall gameplay design that emphasizes pokemon abilities over basic weapon combat. Power drains would fix some of it. Forcing captains to pick N number of abilities as personal powers would fix some of it too.

Last edited by ursusmorologus; 03-31-2014 at 08:18 AM.
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 5,615
# 10
03-31-2014, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by scurry5 View Post
Well, there's nothing that stops them from bringing 'cheese'. No balancing mechanism or anything.

And just playing devil's advocate, some 'cheese' is subjective. Almost every fleet in existence has done it at one time or another.

I don't like such behaviour myself, but I can't do anything about it. Just have to grin and bear it. They'll just tell us to 'adapt or die', 'it's in the game so I use it', 'I paid for it so I can use it', or some other tired old cliche.

Maybe I should trot out the old 'what is cheese to you' survey I did the December before LoR. I'd probably have to make it waaay longer than before, though.
Agreed on many points, Scurry.

Indeed on saying cheese is subjective. I've been telling that to the more recent PvP Bootcamp classes.

*chuckles* Yeah, gotta love those worn out reasons for it. I just see it as legitimizing whatever tactic I am using, especially if I know that they don't like it. Such things can be turned on the person saying them.

Ooh yeah, I remember that thread. You should certainly remake it, Scurry, even if it is longer.

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