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# 1 Dieing A LOT in B'rel retrofit
03-13-2014, 06:04 PM
I seem to be dieing A LOT n my B'rel. Even during Borg alerts, i tend to go boom at least twice while fighting the 4 borg groups. I only have some mostly basic MK XII gear at the moment and no rep stuff (just got the character to level 50 during the exp weekend), but even using similar gear on my federation or romulan characters, i can do A LOT better.

I know the B'rel has the weakest hull and shield in the game for level 50 ships, but the amount of times i die seems quite a lot.
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# 2
03-13-2014, 06:07 PM
Welcome to the B'rel community!

Getting blown up is part of the educational process.

Eventually, you'll be killed less often, but some blowing up is normal. I still get one-shotted sometimes. And every new situation for me, it takes time to develop some survival skills in my B'rel.

Everyone blows up, though. A good day to die, and all that
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# 3
03-13-2014, 06:09 PM
2 Things:

1. The B'Rel, like any klingon Raider, is simply dated. It paid a high price with low hull for... well for what romulans have for free now. And with shields and tons of hull^^

They'LL buff it soon a bit, but I doubt it will fix that state.
I can not advice you to use that ship currently, although, stubborn as I am, I do not follow my own advice still use a Raider too.

2. IF you want to survive with it you need defense. Pick ANYTHING buffing the defense, your hull and shield literally do not exist.
And you'll probably still die. Especially with the Borg.
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# 4
03-13-2014, 06:11 PM
It is the nature of ships of that sort in most PVE. You, and everyone that plays with you, would be better served if you just used a different ship. There are several cheap mirror boats on the exchange. Any of them would be more useful for what you're doing than the B'rel.

If you're thinking "oh I really like this ship I want to make it work" then by all means, go get 'em!

Of course it CAN be done. Most of the guys that did it well had access to oodles of pretty gear to make it so.

You can do better for a fraction of the cost, by just switching ships. Earn the rep you need to get the pretty gear. Earn the fleet marks you need to get the pretty gear, and THEN go do goofy things in your B'rel.

EDIT: Just a note. NPC's cheat. So if you're trying to run enhanced battle cloak sci/torp bomber vs the borg, you're going to struggle needlessly.
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# 5
03-13-2014, 06:11 PM
The BOPs, more than anything else, rely on speed and cloaks to survive in PVP & PVE (IMHO). If you have the C-Store B'Rel, even more so because its hull & shield mods are pretty low. The low mods make it a bad ship if you intend to stay uncloaked and try to fight like an Escort. It simply isn't sturdy enough.

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# 6
03-13-2014, 06:17 PM
thanks guys, i WOULD use a different ship (even though i LOVE BOPS), but i want to use a esocrtish ship that has a lt. comm science slot (or at least 2 science BOFF slots) so i can spam grav well (my character is a science captain) and all the other possible choices on the Klingon side are unobtainable for me and i have no fleet access either.

The B'rel is fun, but WOW does it die a lot.

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# 7
03-13-2014, 07:48 PM
Yeah not much other options outside of the lobstore/lockboxes to use a escort with Lt Cmdr sci for KDF unfortunately.

I would go with Thisslers advice, make it easy on yourself by using a mirror ship, probably the mirror Qin Raptor and use that until you can grind out better gear for your character first.
I use a BOP a lot on my KDF tac but I used a raptor when first doing STFs and grinding out gear first.

The B'rel using ebc used to be one of the best ships for PVE for awhile back, but then they nerfed tricobalt mines and torps and now I don't use it much in PVE at all, and when I do it decloaks to attack instead of using EBC.
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# 8
03-13-2014, 08:05 PM
Yeah, have decided to use the Mirror Vorcha for now, It might not have as much fire power, but at least it has science as a secondary focus and still has 3 tac consoles as well as the ability to mount and use DHC's.........and does not melt when tickled.
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# 9
03-13-2014, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mewmaster101 View Post
I seem to be dieing A LOT n my B'rel. Even during Borg alerts, i tend to go boom at least twice while fighting the 4 borg groups. I only have some mostly basic MK XII gear at the moment and no rep stuff (just got the character to level 50 during the exp weekend), but even using similar gear on my federation or romulan characters, i can do A LOT better.

I know the B'rel has the weakest hull and shield in the game for level 50 ships, but the amount of times i die seems quite a lot.
do you use an armour consoles? whats your Structural integrity, Hull Plating and Armour reinforcements skills?
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# 10
03-13-2014, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by mewmaster101 View Post
thanks guys, i WOULD use a different ship (even though i LOVE BOPS), but i want to use a esocrtish ship that has a lt. comm science slot (or at least 2 science BOFF slots) so i can spam grav well (my character is a science captain) and all the other possible choices on the Klingon side are unobtainable for me and i have no fleet access either.

The B'rel is fun, but WOW does it die a lot.
Kamarag and Mirror Negh'var both have LtCmdr Sci and enough tac to pull their weight. Or there's the Dyson Destroyer run in Tac mode, though it pretty much requires an Honor Guard shield to not be ill every time you look at it.
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