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# 11
03-13-2014, 10:36 PM
2 years ago the b'rel was the king of torp boats - there was this Fed killing machine that used to troll kerrat and keep a list of all fed ships destroyed since his last death. There were several hundred fed ship names there before this player just disappeared.

The ship was the I.K.S. Valkyrie - if my memory serves me correctly.

Now that torps are almost useless with all the new passive resists and fleet gear and op doffs, the b'rel has become obsolete. For a short Window the fleet T'Varo made a good sci/torp bomber - but passives creep has made it just a ship for harassing now.

I did take a kdf tac in a fleet b'rel with little rep and not the best gear into 3 mirror elite events today and did not die once - but on the whole it's not a brawler and it mostly went around closing rifts and powering up the transfer satellites.
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# 12
03-14-2014, 01:43 AM
The Hegh'ta in a cloak/decloak setup can work until you grind rep for KHG and whatnot. You dont have to give up BoPs. I run Ltcom or Com Sci when i use my Hegh'ta.

On the other hand, there is the Breen set for transphasics, which work in the Dyson space... but only adequately against Borg. You just need the right setup.

Honestly, if you arent flying mega hero tank cruiser, how much more do you expect to live under beam FAW spam by the Voth?

PvP is a different story.

If i werent playing STO on an 8 inch tablet, i would be testing my setupin the mirror events. I dont have the best Brel, but i make mine work.
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# 13
03-14-2014, 09:23 AM
Well, the B'rel is one of the weakest ships in game, but I've never really struggled with it in ESTF's.

I guess the question is: What are you running and what are you trying to do? Flying it like an escort? Torp bomber? PvE? PvP?

I mean, even doubling up on EptS and using the standard HE/TSS should get you through most content just fine.
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# 14
03-14-2014, 10:15 AM
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Yeah, have decided to use the Mirror Vorcha for now, It might not have as much fire power, but at least it has science as a secondary focus and still has 3 tac consoles as well as the ability to mount and use DHC's.........and does not melt when tickled.
Don't overlook the Fleet Kamaraq. Such an underrated ship, I like it a lot. Second-most manuverable battlecruiser in the game behind the K't'inga. And it has a Uni LT seat so it can run both LTC and LT Sci slots if you choose.
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# 15
03-14-2014, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
2 years ago the b'rel was the king of torp boats - there was this Fed killing machine that used to troll kerrat and keep a list of all fed ships destroyed since his last death. There were several hundred fed ship names there before this player just disappeared.

The ship was the I.K.S. Valkyrie - if my memory serves me correctly.
That was me! I returned about two months ago. Newromulan1 is correct, changes to game mean that those glorious days of intsta-popping Feds are over. The I.K.S. Valkyrja has basically been mothballed.

I did take her out when I got back, but getting a kill with my former setup was like pulling teeth. Only managed two. She still hasn't died though, so I guess the USS Te Pequa, and RRW Elbe would get to go on the list if it was still around.

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# 16
03-14-2014, 02:05 PM
I like my B'Rel. It is the most iconic klingon ship to me. But i must admit that i have to use Evasive Maneuvers and APO in Dyson or some Mirror Incursions to break free and move out of combat very fast ... or it pops.
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# 17
03-14-2014, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kolbrandr View Post
That was me! I returned about two months ago. Newromulan1 is correct, changes to game mean that those glorious days of intsta-popping Feds are over. The I.K.S. Valkyrja has basically been mothballed.

I did take her out when I got back, but getting a kill with my former setup was like pulling teeth. Only managed two. She still hasn't died though, so I guess the USS Te Pequa, and RRW Elbe would get to go on the list if it was still around.
Well, first off: Welcome back! The Valkyrja was the reason I made a torp B'rel myself.

If I remember your old setup correctly, it was Har'pengh, Quantum, Breen Cluster and a Bio-Neural for finisher?

If you've been gone for a while, you've probably missed some of the rep grind. With some rep passives and equipment, you're going to have a better time. With a sci captain B'rel, you can easily cheese it up and get some easy kills with Nukara mines
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# 18
03-14-2014, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by newromulan1 View Post
2 years ago the b'rel was the king of torp boats - there was this Fed killing machine that used to troll kerrat and keep a list of all fed ships destroyed since his last death. There were several hundred fed ship names there before this player just disappeared.

The ship was the I.K.S. Valkyrie - if my memory serves me correctly.

Now that torps are almost useless with all the new passive resists and fleet gear and op doffs, the b'rel has become obsolete. For a short Window the fleet T'Varo made a good sci/torp bomber - but passives creep has made it just a ship for harassing now.

I did take a kdf tac in a fleet b'rel with little rep and not the best gear into 3 mirror elite events today and did not die once - but on the whole it's not a brawler and it mostly went around closing rifts and powering up the transfer satellites.
Sigh why do people always think the B'rel is obsolete. It may not be best for what you had in mind but there is no other ship that can has all universals and EBC, this means you have a sci ship that uses abilities while cloaked. This is huge in places like Kerrat, the amount of chaos you can do with Cmdr and Lt Cmdr sci is hilarious and fun. Its also the best way to play a sci ship to counter vapers as not being cloaked will leave you at their mercy, while being cloaked will let you wait for them to decloak to try to vape others then you can snb and sci spam them.
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# 19
03-14-2014, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jaegernl View Post
Well, first off: Welcome back! The Valkyrja was the reason I made a torp B'rel myself.

If I remember your old setup correctly, it was Har'pengh, Quantum, Breen Cluster and a Bio-Neural for finisher?

If you've been gone for a while, you've probably missed some of the rep grind. With some rep passives and equipment, you're going to have a better time. With a sci captain B'rel, you can easily cheese it up and get some easy kills with Nukara mines
I had HY3 Quantums, Breen Cluster, Bio-Neural, then Hargh'peng.

I'm trying to knock out the rep and fleet stuff right now. I've faced up to the fact that the insta-pop days are over, but I have heard good things about Sci-Transphasic builds, so I am going to give it go. They sound like they will be more fun to play than the Insta-popper was too!
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# 20
03-14-2014, 04:36 PM
How would you build a "modern" B'rel with all the new gear released for Rep, Dyson, fleet, etc. to return this vessel to a place of glory?
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