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Everyone knows IPads, Particle Cannons, and Cell Phones came from ST.

We know warp drive is possible because Einstein's bending of space with weight in relativity, and Dr Alcubierre proved it was possible like almost 20 years ago. Recently Scientists redesigned his warp drive to need a reasonable amount of power, so it's do-able.

What else?

It's hard to stay away from UFO's when talking about space, but when it comes up, lets address it as starfleet officers: with logic. After all, those UFO's know how to warp drive, and we don't. If we are smart, we will observe, and connect dots.

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# 2
03-29-2014, 12:03 PM
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Everyone knows IPads, Particle Cannons, and Cell Phones came from ST.

We know warp drive is possible because Einstein's bending of space with weight in relativity, and Dr Alcubierre proved it was possible like almost 20 years ago. Recently Scientists redesigned his warp drive to need a reasonable amount of power, so it's do-able.

What else?

It's hard to stay away from UFO's when talking about space, but when it comes up, lets address it as starfleet officers: with logic. After all, those UFO's know how to warp drive, and we don't. If we are smart, we will observe, and connect dots.


Sure! Let's approach this with logic.

1) A warp drive is theoretically possible, but looks like it might obliterate anything in front of it when it slows down. We won't know until we try it.

2) UFOs, literally Unidentified Flying Objects, cannot be said with any certainty to possess a warp drive because they are Unidentified. The moment we know anything about them beyond "it's flying somehow", they cease to be UFOs. They are not automatically alien space craft and, when identified, have yet to be revealed as alien space craft.

3) What dots are we connecting?
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# 3
03-29-2014, 12:16 PM
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Everyone knows IPads, Particle Cannons, and Cell Phones came from ST.
That's a tremendous assumption.

Portable communication radios had been around since the 1940s (the SRC-536, for example), it was only natural that such a useful device made the jump from military use to civillian life.

Gene Roddenberry, as B-17 pilot, and later a policeman, undoubtedly knew the benefit to portable, instant communication devices. To say it came from Trek, however, is a stretch. It was ahead of it's time, but it wasn't directly responsible for the creation of the cell phone. Hell, in 1959 Arthur C. Clarke predicted that people would own personal communication devices.

Regarding particle weapons, Nikola Tesla pioneered several ideas for particle weapons between 1900 and 1943. That's a fair ways before Roddenberry started writing Star Trek.
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# 4
03-29-2014, 12:19 PM
There is the issue that even if we had a working alien spacecraft, that it would be too advanced for us to reverse engineer it. After all, if I took an Ipad to Leonardo da Vinci or Thomas Edison, then they wouldn't have a clue how it worked. I could teach them how it works, but where is the fun in that.
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# 5
03-29-2014, 12:26 PM
CPT Kirk had the first cell phone, iPad, Skype account, 3D printer (replicator), digital camera (the tricorder's recorder in City on the Edge of Forever), laptop (tricorder again), medical laser (laser scapel) and the list goes on and on. Hell, you could even say the Ferengi had the first police tasers if you look at their Energy Whips.
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# 6
03-29-2014, 12:49 PM
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Everyone knows IPads, Particle Cannons, and Cell Phones came from ST.
Inspired by, maybe.

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We know warp drive is possible because Einstein's bending of space with weight in relativity, and Dr Alcubierre proved it was possible like almost 20 years ago. Recently Scientists redesigned his warp drive to need a reasonable amount of power, so it's do-able.
Warp drive is a theory. If Einstein or Alcubierre were able to prove it was possible, then we would have already seen warp drives. Theories are just that, theories. We will not know a warp drive is possible until one exists. Theoretically possible is different from irrefutably possible.

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It's hard to stay away from UFO's when talking about space
No, it isn't.

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...but when it comes up, lets address it as starfleet officers: with logic.
Okay. Of every instance of a UFO, not a single one has been irrefutable proof that aliens were behind them. We can pretend they are. We can even suppose or theorize they are. But if you want to look at it from a purely logical perspective, there is no solid proof extra-terrestrial spaceships have been to Earth.

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After all, those UFO's know how to warp drive, and we don't. If we are smart, we will observe, and connect dots.
UFOs don't know how to use warp drive. UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects. They could be any number of things that are not identifiable. UFO does not mean alien spaceships. UFO means there is something in the sky that can not be discerned.

To say UFOs are alien spaceships are to throw logic and reason out the window in favor of mass delusion, conspiracy, and imagination. Three things which are neither logical or scientific.

The only dots that need connecting are the ones you want to see. Science is based on what exists. Not what could possibly exist. That's called fantasy.
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# 7
03-29-2014, 07:26 PM
And as Dr. David Brin has pointed out quite eloquently, even if those things in the sky have been alien spacecraft, we can still rule out contact by intelligent alien life...

Alcubierre-White warp theory is quite intriguing, and takes advantage of a loophole in Einsteinian physics that was apparently employed by the universe itself in its opening moments - but NASA's still running experiments to see if negative energy density can be employed to generate warped space. If it can, there's still the question of how exactly to find or create the hundreds of kilos of exotic matter needed to create large-enough areas of negative energy density for the warp. And as squatsauce has noted, we have to figure out how to deal with the buildup of Hawking radiation in the wavefront of the craft...
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03-29-2014, 07:48 PM
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And as Dr. David Brin has pointed out quite eloquently, even if those things in the sky have been alien spacecraft, we can still rule out contact by intelligent alien life...
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# 9
03-29-2014, 08:38 PM
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What else?
Assuming your "came from" means "influenced by" (since sometimes there are multiple sources):

Hyposprays
Medical Tricorders
interactive voice-activated computers
transparent aluminum
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# 10
03-29-2014, 09:05 PM
Star Trek communicators did inspire the clamshell flip-open form factor for phones that was popular in the 1990s-200s, but the idea of cell phones (or at least, portable radios that can dial into the phone network) goes back at least to WWII.

The biggest stumbling block remaining with Alcubierre drive is that it requires gravity-like repulsion in order to function. Creating such an effect requires either anti-mass (i.e. something with negative inertia and that is repelled by normal gravity), or else the ability to manipulate gravity fields to our choosing without needing mass. In short, we need to be able to manipulate gravity the way that we do electromagnetism.

In Trek, the warp coils perform this function. When the superheated electro-plasma flows through them, they create an effect that is to gravity what an electromagnet is to electromagnetism. Even in the Trek timeline, it's still another fifty years until Cochrane builds a working prototype of such a device.
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