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# 21
02-07-2010, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Roter_Panda
First I want to state that if you wouldn't have nerd-raged here on the forums only a little percent of the playerbase would've known about the effects of feedbackpulse - now you will see it more often.


Second: I tried feedbackpulse out in open beta and if they didn't change any numbers it's not that badass as described. It is fun to have it on with RSP, but I have yet to see an enemy that took more than 10-15% hulldamage during the duration from it. Changed more efficient skills in for it.
I don't think it was a nerdrage, it was more of an emorage after watching my 42000 hull disappear in four seconds. I stopped shooting after the first second, but my six beams kept shooting and the 1800-1900 reflects killed me before they stopped.

I'm posting it because the more people use it, the sooner it will get fixed.

If you want invincibility, RSP is good. But if you want to be truly invincible because anyone with beams who attacks you will die an agonizing death, get feedback pulse.

I'm sorry for people who think it only does a little damage. You haven't met someone with deflector fields and a high rank yet. I'm doing 1k myself, and I just stumbled upon this ability being (ab)used by feds yesterday. I'm not saying one guy had a weak version of it. I'm saying there were 4 or 5 of them all with powerful versions of it, and stacking it so they could keep it up 2/3rds of the time.

Feedback pulse makes you untouchable, because beam attacks against you punish the attacker ten times harder than it punishes you.
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# 22
02-07-2010, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hundredth View Post
I don't think it was a nerdrage, it was more of an emorage after watching my 42000 hull disappear in four seconds.

I'm posting it because the more people use it, the sooner it will get fixed.

If you want invincibility, RSP is good. But if you want to be truly invincible because anyone with beams who attacks you will die an agonizing death, get feedback pulse.

I'm sorry for people who think it only does a little damage. You haven't met someone with deflector fields and a high rank yet. I'm doing 1k myself, and I just stumbled upon this ability being (ab)used by feds yesterday. I'm not saying one guy had a weak version of it. I'm saying there were 4 or 5 of them all with powerful versions of it, and stacking it so they could keep it up 2/3rds of the time.

Feedback pulse makes you untouchable, because beam attacks against you punish the attacker ten times harder than it punishes you.
so your saying you did 42000 dammage to this guy with your disrupters in 4 secconds?
because it only reflects that dammage YOU fire at it and even then only beams so its your own fault realy and your exagerating slightly ^^
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# 23
02-07-2010, 04:02 AM
If it reflected damage (that didn't go straight to hull), it would be fine. It does far, far more. The ability can be boosted, just like every other ability can.

If you guys don't want to listen to what I have to say, that's fine. We will abuse it in-game until other posters appear. And I'll be here linking to this thread.
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# 24
02-07-2010, 04:08 AM
if you didnt want people using it. you probobly shouldnt have posted here

but yes its nice ability, not that good tbh
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# 25
02-07-2010, 04:11 AM
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if you didnt want people using it. you probobly shouldnt have posted here
I didn't post because I don't want people to use it. I posted because I don't want to die from it. The more people abuse it, the sooner it will get nerfed. If people read this post, actually think about it, and start using it, that will happen very soon. This is WORSE than RSP. If you think it's not so "good", you haven't tapped its full potential.
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# 26
02-07-2010, 05:34 AM
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Viral Matrix is fine, L2P.

Reverse Shield Polarity is fine, L2P. (Caveat here is that having it be "stackable" is indeed going too far, but if the ability itself is nerfed much, every Federation player will be in a Cruiser so they don't die 3 seconds into an Alpha Strike).
Viral matrix counters don't all work and need to be fixed. That statement came from someone who does internal testing.

RSP should be fixed so it can't be stacked.

Don't just assume I'm trying to nerf the skill to hell and then tell me to L2P.
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# 27
02-07-2010, 05:36 AM
I ignore it on my cruiser... I think its cute that they believe it even dents me.

Its nasty vs sci ships though, and ignores cannons so doesnt effect most escorts.

I can think of some ways to abuse it in PvE as well, but mob hull is usually really high so its 'meh'

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlingBlades
Viral matrix counters don't all work and need to be fixed. That statement came from someone who does internal testing.

RSP should be fixed so it can't be stacked.

Don't just assume I'm trying to nerf the skill to hell and then tell me to L2P.
RSPs seems to have a GCD, but unless im mistaken its like 20s which is only 5s longer than the duration.
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# 28
02-07-2010, 06:54 AM
This is what happens when you start thinking about how to use feedback pulse, and I mean REALLY think, not just train the bloody skill.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1508/15102789.png

I hope that you will notice the "large" discrepancy between the damage I take, and the damage I return.

Hopefully we can get this nerfed quickly.
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# 29
02-07-2010, 06:56 AM
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Viral matrix counters don't all work and need to be fixed. That statement came from someone who does internal testing.
Science Team does in fact work some of the time, just not 100% like the tooltip seems to indicate that it should. Attack Pattern Omega also works at least some of the time, and possibly all of the time (going by the assertions of Escort/BOP pilots I've seen on the forums, as I've not used it myself).

You shouldn't try to claim that Viral Matrix is overpowered just because one counter (which also happens to have other benefits and virtually zero opportunity cost) is buggy. The simple fact of the matter is that Viral Matrix is not overpowered, and once Science Team gets "fixed" to have a 100% removal rate, VM will become virtually worthless against any halfway coordinated team. It needs to be unremovable (or at least be much more difficult to remove) with a corresponding duration reduction. Crowd control is healthy for PvP.
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# 30
02-07-2010, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheem View Post
Science Team does in fact work some of the time, just not 100% like the tooltip seems to indicate that it should. Attack Pattern Omega also works at least some of the time, and possibly all of the time (going by the assertions of Escort/BOP pilots I've seen on the forums, as I've not used it myself).

You shouldn't try to claim that Viral Matrix is overpowered just because one counter (which also happens to have other benefits and virtually zero opportunity cost) is buggy. The simple fact of the matter is that Viral Matrix is not overpowered, and once Science Team gets "fixed" to have a 100% removal rate, VM will become virtually worthless against any halfway coordinated team. It needs to be unremovable (or at least be much more difficult to remove) with a corresponding duration reduction. Crowd control is healthy for PvP.
Yeah ... have you noticed that every time a tactic or ability is found that balances the craziness of cloaking, the klinks come out of the woodwork screaming for nerfs?

First it was detect cloaked that got nerfed so the klink has to be nearly humping the Sci vessel before he can see it. Then of course MES ... heaven forbid that klinks have to deal with hard to see opponents too. Then we get RSP and VM that blunt the alpha hit of a decloaking pack of klinks. Most would consider that a tactic, they decided it was OP and needs to be nerfed ... and so on.

Some day, klinks will heed their own advise and L2P.
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