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Ensign
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 18
I'm romulan Tactical captain and i'm wondering what ship to buy.
I want sth agile with lot of firepower but a little sturdier than usuall escorts. So i figured a destroyer class ship will be best for me. I quite enjoyed flying normal Mogai version during leveling so first i thought about fleet/zen version of tier5 of this ship, but then i looked up that there are 2 other interesting choices (i dont want dreadnought because it's to slow, and only warbirds interest me so i can utilize that this char is a romulan)
So i would like to ask You what do you think wchich of this ships would be best?
Commander
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 331
# 2
04-01-2014, 08:26 AM
Fleet Ar'Kif has 5 tac console slots which will increase your damage and critical ch./dmg. if you equip fleet tac.console. It also comes with 1 hangar slot. That's why I decided to switch from Mogai.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 194
# 3
04-01-2014, 10:36 AM
That doesn't sound like the Dyson Destroyer would be the ship, you are looking for.

The Ar'Kif and the Mogai are pretty similar, so it is basically up to your taste. What ship do you like personally better? Do you want a hangar?
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 5,191
# 4
04-01-2014, 11:28 AM
Mogai is a slowish, tough escort that can tank. Ar'kif retro has a set bonus that can vape 99% of the opposition on an alpha strike.

Dyson ship is a sci ship first and foremost, best against groups of weak baddies. Tac mode lets it imitate an escort in a pinch, but it is a sci ship for the most part.

I advise the Mogai retrofit. Scimis are more powerful and generally better in every way, but the Mogai is a sweet, nimble little bird that can tank in a pinch.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,147
# 5
04-01-2014, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by worffan101 View Post
Mogai is a slowish, tough escort that can tank. Ar'kif retro has a set bonus that can vape 99% of the opposition on an alpha strike.

Dyson ship is a sci ship first and foremost, best against groups of weak baddies. Tac mode lets it imitate an escort in a pinch, but it is a sci ship for the most part.

I advise the Mogai retrofit. Scimis are more powerful and generally better in every way, but the Mogai is a sweet, nimble little bird that can tank in a pinch.
Though the Mogai has that LtCdr ENG, I don't tend to view the Mogai as "tanky" though it certainly can be. I maximize the usage of cloaks and the benefits that brings to a Warbird, so tanking is not a preference. "Cloak & Poke" is the name of the game for me. The ENG station can be used to have whatever EPT_X you want as well as other useful abilities like ASIF, ET, A2D, etc. I tend to use EPTW3 to put tremendous Weapons Power and a hefty damage bonus. For PVP, I'd lean more towards EPTE with DOFF'ed A2D. On top of this, the 2 piece console bonus of the Mogai grants MOAR Weapons Power and a very nice 25 Weapons Power drain resist. This means that even Beam Overloads don't drain your power as heavily and can recover more quickly. On top of this, with good Particle Generators Skill and popping an Aux Battery, the Ionized Particle Beam Console hits really hard. If the "Expose-like" effect is on the target when you fire, you can reach insane levels of damage. I've had the IPB crit for over 230k damage. It's a glorious weapon.

The Mogai may not have 5 TAC Consoles, but is built to have alot of inherent firepower, short of the overpowered Scimitar.

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Ensign
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 18
# 6
04-02-2014, 04:43 AM
Thank you for your answers, i think i will choose Mogai.
For the looks and manuverability i would probably choose Dhelan retrofit, but i think it would be to squishy for me, i'm currently flying basic Ha'feh and i would really prefer sth tankier, so the Mogai sems best.
Although warmaker001b you mentioned beam overloads, does tha mean it should be fited with beams? I thought dual heavy cannons are the way to go with escorts/destroyers? And if i want to buy fleet retrofit, are the consoles worthwile to buy the previous versions with dil/zen only for them?
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 5,191
# 7
04-02-2014, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ponqu View Post
Thank you for your answers, i think i will choose Mogai.
For the looks and manuverability i would probably choose Dhelan retrofit, but i think it would be to squishy for me, i'm currently flying basic Ha'feh and i would really prefer sth tankier, so the Mogai sems best.
Although warmaker001b you mentioned beam overloads, does tha mean it should be fited with beams? I thought dual heavy cannons are the way to go with escorts/destroyers? And if i want to buy fleet retrofit, are the consoles worthwile to buy the previous versions with dil/zen only for them?
Dhelan's squishier than the Mogai, but better than most escorts.

Basic ha'feh isn't bad, but it's slightly underpowered even compared to its mirror version. You can get terrifying DPS on a fleet ha'feh, but it's still a tad squishy, it's expensive as hell, and the thing's ugly as sin.

Mogai is primarily an alpha striker. That means a DHC build with the best cannon rapid fire boff you can get. Keep weapon power high and decloak BEHIND enemies, hit them with the buffed volley, and then cloak again as soon as the buff wears off. You'll want as many Romulan boffs as you can, preferably with Subterfuge, Superior Infiltrator, and Superior Romulan operative (multiple copies if possible).

The Mogai and Valdore consoles (the Valdore ESPECIALLY) are definitely worth the money. Also, you will probably want to get the basic Valdore and mogai retrofit; I know it seems expensive, but if you fall in love with the mogai retrofit you'll probably want one on all characters, and the fleet version gets a steep discount if you already own the C-store version.

For PVE, you'll probably only be decloaking for alphas, which will be much more rare. I recommend a dual beam bank build with 360 beams and maybe mines aft (your choice if you want mines, but DPS pushers all use 360 beams of various sorts). Decloak with Beam Overload 3, you can take half the health of a Borg generator in ISE in one shot with a decent build. Switch to FAW spam and set your healing buff going for sphere cleanup. Your alphas won't be as good as with DHCs, but the DPS is said to be slightly higher with a good beam build.

Best,
worffan101
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 11
# 8
04-02-2014, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by worffan101 View Post
Dhelan's squishier than the Mogai, but better than most escorts.

Basic ha'feh isn't bad, but it's slightly underpowered even compared to its mirror version. You can get terrifying DPS on a fleet ha'feh, but it's still a tad squishy, it's expensive as hell, and the thing's ugly as sin.

Mogai is primarily an alpha striker. That means a DHC build with the best cannon rapid fire boff you can get. Keep weapon power high and decloak BEHIND enemies, hit them with the buffed volley, and then cloak again as soon as the buff wears off. You'll want as many Romulan boffs as you can, preferably with Subterfuge, Superior Infiltrator, and Superior Romulan operative (multiple copies if possible).

The Mogai and Valdore consoles (the Valdore ESPECIALLY) are definitely worth the money. Also, you will probably want to get the basic Valdore and mogai retrofit; I know it seems expensive, but if you fall in love with the mogai retrofit you'll probably want one on all characters, and the fleet version gets a steep discount if you already own the C-store version.

For PVE, you'll probably only be decloaking for alphas, which will be much more rare. I recommend a dual beam bank build with 360 beams and maybe mines aft (your choice if you want mines, but DPS pushers all use 360 beams of various sorts). Decloak with Beam Overload 3, you can take half the health of a Borg generator in ISE in one shot with a decent build. Switch to FAW spam and set your healing buff going for sphere cleanup. Your alphas won't be as good as with DHCs, but the DPS is said to be slightly higher with a good beam build.

Best,
worffan101
Only Reman Boffs can get Superior Infiltrator, and the effect doesn't stack, meaning a single purple Reman with 4 Romulan with Superior Romulan Operative and Subterfuge is the ideal configuration for PvE, for PvP I'd be more inclined to run 5 SRO boffs, you lose 10s of Ambush, but the extra crtH for an alpha strike stacked with APA and APO means bigger hits, but only for 5s, meaning you really need to time your buffs for decloaking.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,147
# 9
04-02-2014, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sphinxlol View Post
Only Reman Boffs can get Superior Infiltrator, and the effect doesn't stack, meaning a single purple Reman with 4 Romulan with Superior Romulan Operative and Subterfuge is the ideal configuration for PvE, for PvP I'd be more inclined to run 5 SRO boffs, you lose 10s of Ambush, but the extra crtH for an alpha strike stacked with APA and APO means bigger hits, but only for 5s, meaning you really need to time your buffs for decloaking.
Kind of, sort of in regards to Superior Infiltrator not stacking.

Absolutely true that multiple copies of Superior Infiltrator does not stack.

HOWEVER... Superior Infiltrator & regular Infiltrator DO stack.

I tested this out with my Reman SCI and a Reman BOFF. Reman captains have basic Infiltrator. With her and a Reman BOFF with Superior Infiltrator, the Ambush buff skyrocketed to 23 seconds. Adding another Superior Infiltrator Reman BOFF yielded no additional time to Ambush and stayed at 23 seconds.

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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 99
# 10
04-02-2014, 07:01 PM
I'm a Subadmiral 1, and I plan to get a Fleet Mogai when I make lvl 50 myself, as I enjoyed flying the Mogai while leveling.
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