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Lt. Commander
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# 11
04-09-2014, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nakedcrook View Post
OP, if it makes you feel better, I am in the same boat. A lot of people are. For me, Season 9 has killed my love of the game with it's terrible design and focus. It has become clear that the devs have stopped thinking about what they are designing, and they have contracted, what I call "George Lucas syndrome" where they have become obsessed with "polishing" and "perfecting" things that were never flawed in the first place. They don't like the way ESD looks? Let's revamp it. The reputation system is working as it was intended to, but now we changed our minds? Revamp it! Pointless changes, wasted time, nothing new and exciting. Season 9 is not progress, and that is what you are seeing and feeling.


We didn't even get good revamps. I would have loved to see a Borg revamp. I wanna see a Borg that is tough, scary, and intimidating, WITHOUT using invisible one shots. There are some many ideas they could take from the TV shows...but they didn't. I would have loved to see an AI revamp which made the AI smarter and more diverse with its tactics.

STO needs another "Legacy of Romulus" BADLY. The only thing that will bring me back is another micro faction, like the Cardassians or something like that.

The only reason I still log in is to make sure my fleet has projects queued up. Beyond that, I am moving onto retirement with this game.

You've hit it square ... this is how I'm feeling about STO. You're right ... somewhere along the way Cryptic decided to make the game equal for all. New 50s, 50s with 4 years of time in grade ... whatever. Every change intending to average out the game experience. Why the he[[ they'd be driven to be bothered by making a new 50 feel like a 50 with 4 years of playing time beats me. Season 9.5 will likely see all Vet rewards averaged out an given to all new lv50 silver players, just so they feel "equal."

You captured what I'm thinking exactly amigo. Might be time for a break ...
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# 12
04-09-2014, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
First of all, if you spend any real time on ESD with the chat window open you would be amazed at how many people get lost in something that is essentially a circle. I know it seems impossible, but it is true.

Second of all, the Rep System isn't working as intended when they have 2 entirely different types of Rep System in the game. Which ones were working perfectly? Omega or Dyson?

And what is wrong with Undine revamp rather then the Borg? Anyone remember when the game first started and there was a novel called The Needs of the Many? Remember what that novel was about? Jake Sisko writing in 2423 about "the Undine War." Is it not about time the Undine War seemed important?

And finally, you do know there is a new Expansion Pack coming out at the end of the year, right?
Some of those arguments are fair, but it doesn't change the fact that there are more pressing needs to attend to.

The Borg have literally become a joke in this game. The Borg, of all factions, should not be a joke. The Undine are a joke in canon, and they should be a joke in the game. It takes 1 torpedo (not the invisible kind either) to destroy an Undine ship. They can LITERALLY be one-shot IN THE CANON. In the Star Trek Canon, Fleets of Undine ships were beaten by ONE Federation ship, while a single Cube has destroyed fleets of Star ships, in all corners of the Galaxy, on multiple occasions. The Borg are in desperate need for a revamp. There is nothing I would love more than to see the re-modulation mechanic come to Space combat, as well as giving the Borg their entire bag of tricks, including multiple tractor beam emitters to lock onto more than one ship, persistent and never ending fire at will so it can target all ships at once, the ability to disable power systems right down to 0 at will and the need to re-modulate ship weapons due to the Borg adapting to your weapons. I would even like to see the assimilation mechanic come to space combat, which can turn players on players, like what happens on the ground.

The Borg are not the Borg without these abilities. That's the facts. The Borg are just floating collision boxes in space as it stands.

I will admit...the Dyson rep system is cool. It is streamlined, and it was improved without compromising the rest of the game. However, there is nothing wrong with a little bit of variety in the rep systems. Why should they ALL work the same? In the end of the day, the current rep system is fine as is. It didn't need to be changed anymore than it already has. They had it at the sweet spot with sponsorships and the mechanics of the Dyson rep.

As for ESD...those players can press the M key. Redesigning ESD is a waste of resources. Period. Now everyone will be lost, instead of noobs and blind people exclusively.

However, I am off topic, and this is a discussion for another thread.

Back on topic:

OP, I suggest trying SWTOR. That is what I am playing right now, and there are a lot of things STO could learn from SWTOR. You definatly need to walk away from STO. You are at the breaking point of exhaustion with the game, and this new season has not refreshed it for you. If you don't walk from Season 9...you will start to hate the game.

I am defiantly walking away from Season 9. I will return in a few months, with an account full of Zen, and I will SEE if there is anything worth my time. I suggest you do the same.


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# 13
04-09-2014, 05:32 PM
If anything SWTOR is worse than this game....
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# 14
04-09-2014, 05:34 PM
The Borg have been a Joke long before STO was born.
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# 15
04-09-2014, 05:37 PM
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If anything SWTOR is worse than this game....
At least it has voice acting...that doesn't sound like someone had to be "forcefully convinced" to read the lines for.


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# 16
04-09-2014, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nakedcrook View Post
The Borg have literally become a joke in this game. The Borg, of all factions, should not be a joke. The Undine are a joke in canon, and they should be a joke in the game. It takes 1 torpedo (not the invisible kind either) to destroy an Undine ship. They can LITERALLY be one-shot IN THE CANON. In the Star Trek Canon, Fleets of Undine ships were beaten by ONE Federation ship, while a single Cube has destroyed fleets of Star ships, in all corners of the Galaxy, on multiple occasions. The Borg are in desperate need for a revamp. There is nothing I would love more than to see the re-modulation mechanic come to Space combat, as well as giving the Borg their entire bag of tricks, including multiple tractor beam emitters to lock onto more than one ship, persistent and never ending fire at will so it can target all ships at once, the ability to disable power systems right down to 0 at will and the need to re-modulate ship weapons due to the Borg adapting to your weapons. I would even like to see the assimilation mechanic come to space combat, which can turn players on players, like what happens on the ground.

The Borg are not the Borg without these abilities. That's the facts. The Borg are just floating collision boxes in space as it stands.
I have to wonder... did you watch Voyager? Janeway was doing all right against the Borg all by herself - and when she had the future tech Admiral Janeway gave her she was one-shoting Borg spheres.

STO is an extension of that: 30 years of technological advances due to Janeway bringing back future-tech back to the normal timeline. Couple that with other canon advances, like Red Matter, and it is not difficult to see how far advanced the Federation has become in 2409.

And I am not even saying it would not be cool to fight Borg that require 50 ships to defeat - as 40 lost at Wolf 359 - but I am saying I would not want every Borg mission in the game to require 50 players to defeat one foe. That would bore me to death - and wreak havoc on many player's computer/graphic systems trying to render it all.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.

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# 17
04-09-2014, 05:51 PM
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At least it has voice acting...that doesn't sound like someone had to be "forcefully convinced" to read the lines for.

I would hope so since they paid millions of dollars for it.
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# 18
04-09-2014, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by neoakiraii View Post
The Borg have been a Joke long before STO was born.
Thanks for that Voyager.

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At least it has voice acting...that doesn't sound like someone had to be "forcefully convinced" to read the lines for.
With the money they paid for it, I would hope so...
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# 19
04-09-2014, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
I have to wonder... did you watch Voyager? Janeway was doing all right against the Borg all by herself - and when she had the future tech Admiral Janeway gave her she was one-shoting Borg spheres.

STO is an extension of that: 30 years of technological advances due to Janeway bringing back future-tech back to the normal timeline. Couple that with other canon advances, like Red Matter, and it is not difficult to see how far advanced the Federation has become in 2409.

And I am not even saying it would not be cool to fight Borg that require 50 ships to defeat - as 40 lost at Wolf 359 - but I am saying I would not want every Borg mission in the game to require 50 players to defeat one foe. That would bore me to death - and wreak havoc on many player's computer/graphic systems trying to render it all.
I don't blame Voyager for what happened to the Borg. If you think back to what Commander Shelby was saying in BoBW she was part of some task force that was building ships to better defend against the Borg. The Sovereign, Defiant, and Intrepid were the results. I can see why they were able to deal slightly more damage and take more punishment, but aside from Endgame 1 and 2...VOyager never really defeated a Cube that was fully functional. Sure, they destroyed a probe, damaged a sphere with a torpedo, and even caused a Tactical cube to self destruct...but Voyager never forcefully beat a cube into submission with Phasers and Torpedos.

Admiral Janeway brought weapons specifically designed to fight the Borg (Transphasics) and they were for shock value. Watching a CUbe explode with one Torpedo was exactly that...the endgame event. It was for production value.

However, The Borg are designed to adapt...and they have adapted since then. They have not been sitting on their hands. They assimilated the Armor technology, so they SHOULD outmatch us again.

STO should reflect this.


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# 20
04-09-2014, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nakedcrook View Post
STO should reflect this.
Which does not change the fact that it would still be incredibly boring to need 40+ players to defeat a single cube. While it might be correct to canon, from a game standpoint it would be horrendous.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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