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Lt. Commander
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# 21
02-07-2010, 06:53 AM
This isn't about cloak. It's about the queue system. No need to insult.
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# 22
02-07-2010, 07:02 AM
if it's 1v5 I'd just /zone "let's all meet here and I'll take off my shields" and get it over with and get my reward.

but I understand that I care more about xp than wins. and I understand that others care more about wins than just xp rates.

I'm sure it's more annonying for klingons who have to rely on missions with win objectives and kill count objectives.

if you want the topic to be about the queue system you should put that in your topic title instead of a bait and switch type of title that will in the end attract trolling instead of constructicivsiismssmsismsm. <.< I can't spell.
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# 23
02-07-2010, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
This isn't about cloak. It's about the queue system. No need to insult.
Wait, I thought this was about "cloak griefing?" Are you sure you responded in the right thread? lol
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# 24
02-07-2010, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Face
Yea, it happens, more often if they end up fighting viral matrix users. But it happens. (most klings arent stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot by taking 5x as long leveling doing this)
Maybe not 5x longer, but a lot of them don't mind 2x or 3x longer.

I've sat and waited several minutes before the Klingons decided to come out and fight.

It's boring and instead of just being a good sport and fighting and speeding the process up, the Klingons remain hidden like little girls.

If it was 1 Fed vs 5 Klinks, well looks like that Fed is going to be killed quickly, but frankly who cares?

This PVP system is flawed and pathetic, so why drag it out any longer? Federation players can't, why should Klingon players?

My favorite is when the one or two Klingon players are hiding also decide to talk trash. Hah. Hey, don't blame me, man. I just want to get in and get out. I dont care if I lose or win, but lets just get it over with.
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# 25
02-07-2010, 05:08 PM
I've sat in cloak for an extended period of time before while waiting for other Klingons to join, then planning out our attack. The Feds tend to cry, whine and insult about it, even though they have no idea what is going, they seem ignorant.

Hell I've had games of ground PvP where I am the only one vs 5 Feds, I'll tell them there is no one else and that I'm going to leave, because it'll take forever to get those 40 kills off one person. They then tend to respond with very abusive comments, and well I just leave anyway.

I reckon if/once they fix up the queue system, it will be much better for everyone.
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# 26
02-07-2010, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NoOtherDestiny
I've sat in cloak for an extended period of time before while waiting for other Klingons to join, then planning out our attack. The Feds tend to cry, whine and insult about it, even though they have no idea what is going, they seem ignorant.

Hell I've had games of ground PvP where I am the only one vs 5 Feds, I'll tell them there is no one else and that I'm going to leave, because it'll take forever to get those 40 kills off one person. They then tend to respond with very abusive comments, and well I just leave anyway.
You'd do the exact same thing if you were a Federation player and faced a Klink who wouldn't uncloak.

I love how all the Klingon players swear they'd act so differently if roles were reserved.

Some Klingon players are the most verbally abusive scumbags I've seen in any MMO. They trash talk while they hide.
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# 27
02-07-2010, 05:52 PM
I totaly agree with the OP here I have waited around in a PvP many times waiting for a Fed to spawn in. I just think when it hapends to Feds they assume we are cloaked up. Have I used my battle cloak to get away from the Feds to deny them a kill? Yes. Do I stay cloaked to annoy the other side? Never.
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# 28
02-07-2010, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chase Quinnell
Wait, I thought this was about "cloak griefing?" Are you sure you responded in the right thread? lol
I wonder if you were aware you were speaking to the OP?
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# 29
02-07-2010, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
I'll point out what I've seen.

I've never seen anyone cloak grief, yet. It may exist, but I haven't seen it.

I have entered a PvP match where I was the only Klingon and the Feds were shouting for a nonexistent "us" to uncloak. I don't. I do say in zone chat that we all aren't here. I full impulse around trying to see if I can find other Klingons. It can take two or three minutes for all Klingons to come in sometimes. Those 2-3 minutes can seem like an eternity and "cloak griefing" to the Feds.

Once the team is formed (if it is a good PUG) we go over and see the composition of the Feds. We spot and call out the escorts. This can take up to 2 minutes as we fly to them and chat about the best way to open on the escort and the second ship after the escort.

These four minutes are hell for the Feds, but don't blame us, blame the queue and our playing the game correctly.

After that, once we open up, we only cloak to escape destruction and to heal/regroup/set up the next attack.


I did enter a HvH arena and saw no one. I uncloaked and flew around. No one. After two minutes I understood what the Feds where talking about, but as annoying as it was, I was uncloaked and no one shot at me. That's because no one was there. After a few more minutes a few ships opened up on me so I cloaked. Some of my team finally got in and the match began.

While I admit that some "less than brilliant" Klingons might Cloak Grief, I think a more reasonable scenario is that an incomplete team of Klingons started fighting, lost, and one or more of them left for some reason (could have been a good one, like real life issues). After that the remaining Klingon waits for more to show up. And the Feds think they are just hiding for spite.



I do know that when with my fleet (in a premade and vent) we sometimes cloak and speak a little strategy if the fight is close. The opposing Feds are obviously good or better than our team so they understand what we are doing. We take a minute, it may take 2 to set up. These Feds might joke about it, but they understand what we are doing.



Since I see no reason for cloak griefing, I'm not really sure that that's what happens when Feds don't see Klingons. Maybe they're just not there.

One also has to consider the patience factor. Sometimes I'll see a good poker player think for a while on the river before doing anything. Usually one bad player loses patience and says, "Well, call, fold or raise!!!" The bad player isn't even aware of what there is to think about, and no one says anything.

Some Feds may equate PvE to PvP. Let's go, let's go. Let's fight, let's fight. Pew, pew time. Some people feel the 30 seconds as 30 minutes.

Just something to think about.
You are right on the ball, often times when I am in a battle outgunned (on my Klink) I will just tail the fed ball waiting for them to get antsy (as they always do) and have a few break off from the ball to search for the Klinks; I use those opportunities to hit and run. I don't care if they cry about it, because seriously, I would be stupid to uncloak beside a fed ball, any fed player that expects me to do that really is terribad.

It's called tactics, they need to deal with it and adapt or leave the game. It isn't going to change.
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# 30
02-07-2010, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nybris
Ok, the first thing that you admit to that shows how Cloak gives Klingons a serious advantage is that you cloak if there are no other Klingons around at the start of the fight and wait for more to show up before sticking your neck out. Federation does not have this option. If it is 10 Klingons to 1 Federation that 1 Federation player is going to get farmed and there isn't a darn thing they can do about that.
I love when people make this argument, like it some how supports their "Cloak is OP" statement, what 99% of these people don't understand is that this isn't a problem with cloak, its a problem with the Queue system and the only way to fix it is to do the same thing WoW does in its arenas and that is put a grace period at the beginning of the match that prevents player movement until both teams are filled or for a designated time.

and as for being able to cloak to escape death, you have an extra BO slot use it for heals, its essentially the same thing and in most cases a lot more useful.
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