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# 11
02-07-2010, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexNor View Post
Patch notes are on the launcher ..have been with every patch when server comes up.
Failure to read my post/thread? There are no patch notes for 02/07/2010. There are only patch notes for the 02/05/2010 two patches.

On top of that, the launcher just gets data from the same place http://www.startrekonline.com/release_notes does. Didn't you know the launcher is just a glorified browser (a windows app with a browser engine from your PC)?

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoOtherDestiny
I downloaded a patch a few hours ago with no release notes anywhere. I had played 6 hours before then without a patch, so it is new and there are no notes for it.
Exactly, my point.
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# 12
02-07-2010, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenBrillig
Fixed bugs.

Made server stability improvements.

Added logic to shunt worst complainers into longest queues.


Fixed some random disconnect bugs.

Added new random disconnect bugs.

Refilled triticale bin for tribbles.
Love it.
ever so much.
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# 13
02-07-2010, 03:33 PM
I remember EQ, they never announced any changes. Every change was stealth, good or bad. It was part of the Mystery.

Blizzard announces almost every change in patch notes, and when even the slightest thing is changed without a patch note people scream.

In the long run the Devs can't win. If I were cryptic I'd leave off the release notes and let people wonder.
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# 14
02-07-2010, 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kineel
I remember EQ, they never announced any changes. Every change was stealth, good or bad. It was part of the Mystery.

Blizzard announces almost every change in patch notes, and when even the slightest thing is changed without a patch note people scream.

In the long run the Devs can't win. If I were cryptic I'd leave off the release notes and let people wonder.
Fully agree.
I'd even like them to change raw numbers slightly over time... to "ease people" into changes without the sudden knee jerk reaction that the sky is falling.

Cryptic, you're in charge. Sure, you may listen to the community, but in the end your word is law. Drop the hammer.
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# 15
02-07-2010, 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kineel
In the long run the Devs can't win. If I were cryptic I'd leave off the release notes and let people wonder.
Premature conclusion and bad decision, so glad you have nothing to do with development.

An MMO developer should document all fixes/updates that apply to gameplay or the client from a user's perspective. Don't document security fixes, anti-cheat updates, etc. When client or server software performance enhancements are made, they just need to mentioned as such, no need to go into details on it.

Look at almost any software online and you'll see the same trend. Why? So people know what's changed/fixed so they know how to use the software. For example, "fleet resource PvP battles now working", so users can go enjoy those missions if a release note existed for it. That's common sense here folks. I don't care what other failed release note practices are existence out there, it is common, acceptable practice to document changes to software that affect users.

Even if the 02/07/2010 patch was just for client and/or server stability, then that's all that needs to be said. But it still needs to be there.
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# 16
02-07-2010, 04:28 PM
No community rep or dev response on this thread yet? Interesting.
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# 17
02-07-2010, 04:49 PM
Not all patches will include changes that affect gameplay.

They're under no obligation to tell us when they fix a typo in a comment of their code, but doing so would still end up in a re-compilation and a new revision.

And they already said what today's maintenance was about. Someone even quoted it in here.
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# 18
02-07-2010, 04:58 PM
These guys don't want you to know what they're doing. That way you have to spend time figuring out what they nerf before you can complain. Transparent.....
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# 19
02-07-2010, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cipher_nemo View Post
No community rep or dev response on this thread yet? Interesting.
I don't think one will visit this thread. Cryptic just doesn't seem to understand they have customers yet, it just isn't clicking for some reason.

Every MMO I've played(not many) have had release notes for every patch, I liked knowing what is going on. This game is just a foreign thing to me, information for this game is almost a complete mystery.

Most good information you get comes from the forums from people who have found it from somewhere, just look at Suricata's STO Ship Tier Chart, some random dude on the Internet put together a ship chart that is more accurate and more informative than Cryptic's own website.

Cryptic is either unwilling or unable to provide the information we desire. I have a slight suspicion as to which one it is. In either event, Cryptic needs to step up and provide information about the game so we know what is going on.
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