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Lt. Commander
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I'll point out what I've seen.

I've never seen anyone cloak grief, yet. It may exist, but I haven't seen it.

I have entered a PvP match where I was the only Klingon and the Feds were shouting for a nonexistent "us" to uncloak. I don't. I do say in zone chat that we all aren't here. I full impulse around trying to see if I can find other Klingons. It can take two or three minutes for all Klingons to come in sometimes. Those 2-3 minutes can seem like an eternity and "cloak griefing" to the Feds.

Once the team is formed (if it is a good PUG) we go over and see the composition of the Feds. We spot and call out the escorts. This can take up to 2 minutes as we fly to them and chat about the best way to open on the escort and the second ship after the escort.

These four minutes are hell for the Feds, but don't blame us, blame the queue and our playing the game correctly.

After that, once we open up, we only cloak to escape destruction and to heal/regroup/set up the next attack.


I did enter a HvH arena and saw no one. I uncloaked and flew around. No one. After two minutes I understood what the Feds where talking about, but as annoying as it was, I was uncloaked and no one shot at me. That's because no one was there. After a few more minutes a few ships opened up on me so I cloaked. Some of my team finally got in and the match began.

While I admit that some "less than brilliant" Klingons might Cloak Grief, I think a more reasonable scenario is that an incomplete team of Klingons started fighting, lost, and one or more of them left for some reason (could have been a good one, like real life issues). After that the remaining Klingon waits for more to show up. And the Feds think they are just hiding for spite.



I do know that when with my fleet (in a premade and vent) we sometimes cloak and speak a little strategy if the fight is close. The opposing Feds are obviously good or better than our team so they understand what we are doing. We take a minute, it may take 2 to set up. These Feds might joke about it, but they understand what we are doing.



Since I see no reason for cloak griefing, I'm not really sure that that's what happens when Feds don't see Klingons. Maybe they're just not there.

One also has to consider the patience factor. Sometimes I'll see a good poker player think for a while on the river before doing anything. Usually one bad player loses patience and says, "Well, call, fold or raise!!!" The bad player isn't even aware of what there is to think about, and no one says anything.

Some Feds may equate PvE to PvP. Let's go, let's go. Let's fight, let's fight. Pew, pew time. Some people feel the 30 seconds as 30 minutes.

Just something to think about.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-07-2010, 05:11 AM
All I do is space pvp over and over as a Klingon, and I have seen this too.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
02-07-2010, 05:13 AM
Real cloak griefing is easy to spot.

That's when the score is 13 - 1, then nothing happens for 10 minutes except random klinks on the chat window with comments directed at the mothers of the fed players. hehe
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# 4
02-07-2010, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharpsy
Real cloak griefing is easy to spot.

That's when the score is 13 - 1, then nothing happens for 10 minutes except random klinks on the chat window with comments directed at the mothers of the fed players. hehe
Well, if that really happens, then okay. But I've never seen that happen. Let's be truthful and not just try to get some grief on Klingons over cloak.

But if that happens then you know it's kids, or adults who act like brats.

I've actually never left a match that wasn't won or lost. Is it true that if the teams are full and one of them leaves, the match goes to the players who stayed?
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# 5
02-07-2010, 05:19 AM
Ok, the first thing that you admit to that shows how Cloak gives Klingons a serious advantage is that you cloak if there are no other Klingons around at the start of the fight and wait for more to show up before sticking your neck out. Federation does not have this option. If it is 10 Klingons to 1 Federation that 1 Federation player is going to get farmed and there isn't a darn thing they can do about that.

You also admit that you de-cloaked in a HvH fight and the other Klingons waited until they had superior numbers to jump you, but you got away because you cloaked and took yourself safely out of the fight until you had enough people to fight back.

You should really consider what you are really saying before you try to defend Cloak.
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# 6
02-07-2010, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
Well, if that really happens, then okay. But I've never seen that happen. Let's be truthful and not just try to get some grief on Klingons over cloak.
Yea, it happens, more often if they end up fighting viral matrix users. But it happens. (most klings arent stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot by taking 5x as long leveling doing this)
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# 7
02-07-2010, 05:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
Well, if that really happens, then okay. But I've never seen that happen. Let's be truthful and not just try to get some grief on Klingons over cloak.
Personally, it has only happened to me once, so I don't see what all the fuss is about. Though I will concede that some unlucky peeps out there might have this happening to them more often. Oh well.
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# 8
02-07-2010, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nybris
Ok, the first thing that you admit to that shows how Cloak gives Klingons a serious advantage is that you cloak if there are no other Klingons around at the start of the fight and wait for more to show up before sticking your neck out. Federation does not have this option. If it is 10 Klingons to 1 Federation that 1 Federation player is going to get farmed and there isn't a darn thing they can do about that.

You also admit that you de-cloaked in a HvH fight and the other Klingons waited until they had superior numbers to jump you, but you got away because you cloaked and took yourself safely out of the fight until you had enough people to fight back.

You should really consider what you are really saying before you try to defend Cloak.

Blame the queue system, not cloak. Allow all Feds to enter as a whole. Make each side enter simultaneously.

This is also about cloak griefing so please don't post Nerf here. Use another thread or start your own.


Thanks.
Lt. Commander
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# 9
02-07-2010, 05:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Lloyd
Cloak is balanced and here to stay. As I said, blame the queue system, not cloak. Allow all Feds to enter as a whole. Make each side enter simultaneously.

This is also about cloak griefing so please don't post Nerf here. Use another thread or start your own.

Thanks.
Well, last week people seemed to camp less, this week I did find I got camped several times in a row. Its more sportsmanship than anything else. Didnt stop us from pasting most of the idiots doing it.

But yea, its a queue issue. You can camp klingon ships as they load in too, they cant cloak fast enough.
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# 10
02-07-2010, 05:31 AM
If they can't click on the report button and figure out how many people are in the game...

It's not worth explaining.
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