Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,576
Way to ruin an otherwise fun an interesting event activity, Cryptic...

I can't call this a real "pay to win", as you can grind favors for better powerboards, but that doesn't change the fact that the race is an unbalanced mess, where a person on a Rental/Basic Powerboard CANNOT beat a player using Superior Powerboard unless the latter makes some mistake or just sucks.

I've tried doing my best on a Rental Powerboard, but if there were people using Superior ones then most of the time they've passed me the moment the race started, and I kept losing them out of my sight.

On the other hand, when I was using a Superior Powerboard myself there were times I had to wait several seconds for other participants to arrive to the finish line after I've already won.

Considering this activity is time-gated, grants an accolade and a title for the first place, and is necessary to collect monkey tags, the fact that you've made it "P2W" is such a fail I can barely comprehend it. Were you really that desperate that you had to give players a pretext to grind even more favors, so they wouldn't be handicaped in what should otherwise be a fair race?

Fast and Flurrious at the very least was balanced, as the key to victory lied in individual players' techniques. In this case it's Powerboard first, player's skill second.

So yeah people, enjoy spending 1000 Favors (per character) on a Powerboard that will make you competitive in the event. Either that or just hope other participants will fail in some way or will make a mistake, as there's no way you're gonna beat a superior powerboard with a lesser one.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,336
# 2
06-05-2014, 06:14 PM
Ok, the race is just the summer version of the Winter Race for tags. But... instead of just a race of skill Cryptic added in the P2W element of different speed hoverboards. This is the part I find bad.

I had favors from last year, so bought my main toon the Superior board and on my first race I won by a good 10 seconds. Looked like everyone else had the basic boards. Now, on my alt toons I bought the basic boards and can tell you it will be all but impossible to place, let alone come in 1st, against people w/ the superior boards.

People whined alot about the Winter race and that was a 'fair' race (except for the damn hoppers!). And this one suffers from the same finish line problem of having to 'grab' the flag but half the time the 2nd place guy somehow grabs it first.

Not sure who's idea it was to have Pay-to-Win hoverboards to get monkey tags, but it's a horrible idea. Do you guys actively look for ways to screw up good things or does it just come naturally?

SOLUTIONS:
A.) Make all boards the same speed during race time.
B.) Make the minimum tag reward 6, so everyone gets enough tags for the day.
C.) Winners per board type. Crap races crap, uber races uber.
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Last edited by dracounguis; 06-05-2014 at 06:17 PM.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 13,592
# 3
06-05-2014, 06:53 PM
I think the real issue is in how the rewards are too top heavy. If it was 9/6/4/3 it wouldn't be quite as disappointing to come in 7th out of 20+ people.
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Empire Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 5,587
# 4
06-05-2014, 07:31 PM
I know people don't like those who hop and jump in the winter race, but at least the winter race is indeed a fair race. No grind or P2W stuff needed. This is completely the opposite, and is doubly bad because it's the only way to get monkey tags.

Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 623
# 5
06-05-2014, 07:37 PM
/10 characters

Last edited by lystent; 06-07-2014 at 04:22 PM.
Republic Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 915
# 6
06-05-2014, 07:42 PM
"I didn't win the first race on the first day when it was super busy, it needs to be nerfed!"

Even at a fairly casual pace you can get the fastest board in a a few days, and in a couple weeks a lot less people will be doing it, just like the winter version, and you'll be able to easily get the accolades. It's June 5th, you have until July 17th to do everything.

But its easier to freak out and go straight to maximum hyperbole on the forums then have a modicum of patience or common sense.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 297
# 7
06-05-2014, 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reximuz View Post
"I didn't win the first race on the first day when it was super busy, it needs to be nerfed!"

Even at a fairly casual pace you can get the fastest board in a a few days, and in a couple weeks a lot less people will be doing it, just like the winter version, and you'll be able to easily get the accolades. It's June 5th, you have until July 17th to do everything.

But its easier to freak out and go straight to maximum hyperbole on the forums then have a modicum of patience or common sense.
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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,445
# 8
06-05-2014, 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reximuz View Post
Even at a fairly casual pace you can get the fastest board in a a few days, and in a couple weeks a lot less people will be doing it, just like the winter version, and you'll be able to easily get the accolades. It's June 5th, you have until July 17th to do everything.
Yes because people should have to grind out the equivalent of 35 million EC worth of trinkets if you want to meanfully participate in the new activity. Whats a game without grind, even for the silly stuff, right?

To the general topic though, I'd just be happy with the ability to pull my camera back enough to see, and the course to stay up between events so I can figure out how to get the jumps right.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,336
# 9
06-05-2014, 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by reximuz View Post
"I didn't win the first race on the first day when it was super busy, it needs to be nerfed!"
lol, I DID win the first race I did, and I say it needs to be made fair. If you call being fair 'nerfed' then so be it.
Sometimes I think I play STO just to have stuff to rant about on the forums!

Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,187
# 10
06-05-2014, 08:49 PM
I ran the race four times and got no rewards at all. There was never a way to interact with the finish flag. Of course, the people with superior boards always pull far ahead of the pack, so I don't expect to win or even place. But no reward at all, eh? Just a big FU.
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