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Lt. Commander
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We all know there are certain bridge officer skills that can only be acquired by training particular captain skills to the maximum level. And even then the captain must be of the same career-type as the bridge officer to train them.

For captains who choose a ship-type that doesn't match their tactical, engineer, or science careers, this poses an obvious problem. The result is a crew that lacks access to roughly 60 skills of the rank-III variety because their captains simply can't teach the officers any of those skills (because the career-type of the highest ranked bridge officers doesn't match that of the captain's).

All through beta there was a rumor floating around alternative methods of acquiring these skills for officers/captains in this situation would exist. That the skills would either show up on uncommon or rare officer drops, or that other captains would be able to train officers and then trade them to other players. None of these appear to be true, although even the manual itself implies that this is possible.

What so many of us are looking for is an answer, and why there have been so many threads on the topic at this point without any kind of response.. I simply don't understand. Because the questions are really very simple: Do alternative methods of acquiring these particular rank-III skills exist? If so, what are they? And if the feature hasn't been implemented yet, when can we expect to have access to that particular functionality?

Please just provide us with the answers. This is really important to a lot of players. It's a huge factor in our career/ship choice, and all we're really asking is for solid information on how a major aspect of this game works.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-12-2010, 11:02 AM
Why can't you train a BO with a rare one with a tier III skill? I've found several bridge officers with tier III skills, and have used them to train my officers.

I have a thread in my sig suggesting changes to the system that would make the process easier, but it definitely is POSSIBLE in the game right now to obtain those skills. Just not easy.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
02-12-2010, 11:56 AM
Prove!


Url dosn`t count for the 10 limit.
Lt. Commander
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# 4
02-12-2010, 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaMHC
Why can't you train a BO with a rare one with a tier III skill? I've found several bridge officers with tier III skills, and have used them to train my officers.

I have a thread in my sig suggesting changes to the system that would make the process easier, but it definitely is POSSIBLE in the game right now to obtain those skills. Just not easy.
Which tier III skills? I've read numerous posts insisting their appearance is a bug and the skills themselves often change once assigned. What you're saying is the alternative I assumed was available, but numerous lengthy threads in this section insist it's not actually true (or functioning).
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# 5
02-12-2010, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Paris Teta
Prove!


Url dosn`t count for the 10 limit.
I had seen your thread, but after reading the response under it and then seeing this in another discussion...

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Even more annoyed now. I got (or i was supposed to get) a Rare Bridge Officer with Attack Pattern Omega III for getting Captain 2. Then when i went to assignments tab it changed to Dispersal Pattern Beta III.
...it raises the question of what happened to the skill in your screenshot *after* you attempted to assign the officer to your crew / train another officer in that skill. You never followed up on your post when someone suggested it was a bug. Can you elaborate further?
Lt. Commander
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# 6
02-12-2010, 01:34 PM
I received a rare bridge officer as a reward which was carrying Viral Matrix III on him.
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# 7
02-12-2010, 01:38 PM
Sorry im just commander so i can`t change to an escort and try, but i have two such officer, and one is now on the crew, and the Skill is still there at the skill list, if i can activate it, i can`t test because i`m just Commander with this char, and the other is a TAC,s so trading won`t do.
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# 8
02-12-2010, 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaMHC
Why can't you train a BO with a rare one with a tier III skill? I've found several bridge officers with tier III skills, and have used them to train my officers.

I have a thread in my sig suggesting changes to the system that would make the process easier, but it definitely is POSSIBLE in the game right now to obtain those skills. Just not easy.
Except it isn't. It is possible to get SOME tier 3 skills this way but by no means all. I would quite like to get HYT3 for my BOs but despite spending some time looking through the exchange I have yet to see one there, I haven't gotten any myself and no members of my fleet have gotten a BO with HYT 3. In fact from looking through the exchange it seems like there are 4 or 5 standard skill packages for every BO type.
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# 9
02-12-2010, 02:08 PM
I have been saying this over and over, in almost every topic where somebody comes up saying "hey I got a tier III skill from a rare BO, so what's the problem?".
So here we go again, yet an other attempt to inform people how the game currently works:

Yes you can get level III skills from rare BOs, quite a couple different ones actually.
However, with the one single exception of Attack Pattern Omega III, you can not get any level III skills at all, through the means of rare BOs, that can be unlocked by players through the player skill tree.

The rank III skills that are found on rare BOs are those that are neither available through the power store on the starbase nor through unlocking by investing skill points. Again, Attack Pattern Omega III is a lonely exception and I actually suggest taking advantage of this while possible. Chances are the availability of this skill through rare BOs will be removed at some point.

A dev statement on this whole issue would be extremely useful for a lot of players' career-planning, but let's face it, it won't happen.
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# 10
02-12-2010, 05:30 PM
Yeah just chiming in here. "Science Team III" is not available on those rare bridge officers. So it is true that you can get SOME III skills from them but not all and frankly for me as an engineer in a science ship "Science Team III" just happens to be the skill I want. I'm screwed :-(

The loot table for those very rare BOF's is standardized with a couple of packages of skills that seem to repeat over and over. You will never(at least for now) see one of those very rares with ,say, High Yield III or Science Team III for example.

Also you are told right at the very start immediately after the tutorial by the skills guy Quinn sends you to that you CANNOT train skills that don't coincide with your profession. Cryptic answered you in game alrdy. You must have just blew through the mission text telling you that. They don't need to send a dev in here to reanswer that question when already it's plainly addressed in the game.

The problem I have is that Cryptic DID promise us in prerelease interviews that we would be able to train Bofs and then trade them among one another as a form of crafting. Well, someone dropped the ball on that because you most certainly cannot do that. Which means when you run into a situation like myself you're just SOL because there is no way in game to get "Science Team III" unless you are a science captain.
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