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# 1 T3+ cruiser disbalance?
02-13-2010, 12:19 AM
Please this is not a nerf thread. Or whining.

So I found an interesting trend during my pvp sessions. Right now I am a captain. I am a Fed. I am playing arenas mostly (deathmatches)

In T1, it was really like 50-50 win ratio.

In T2, Fed was destroying KDF nearly every match, your mileage may vary. Maybe it was because I am awesome (or just lucky) and was doing 100k+ damage every match. I lost less then 10% matches I guess.

Now, T3 was nightmare. I won only ONE match during my entire road to captain. I should say I played maybe a one third of matches compared to T2. But some trend is here.

T4, it is fresh still, but KDF is strong as hell here.

Now to some points. I am willing to admit that because KDF is PvP only and mostly grouped for Pvp, they just have an edge. It is right that way, and IT SHOULD be that way. They played many times more matches than me, nothing wrong they are that good. But I found one disparity.

Cruisers.

I have found, that Fed cruisers are sometimes like deadweight (sorry fed mates) at least against escorts or science ships. They dont heal that much. They are not targeted. AND mainly they use beams.

And here is the problem. The nimble KDF cruisers are all cannons, doing like twice the damage of Fed beam cruiser. They are able (due to better handling) to use cannons effectively. So I am facing really tough ships with same weaponry as my paper escort.

I am not crying nerf here. I dont know how repair this issue. I just want to show that there is an issue.

Please if you want to respond, be polite nad calm, I would like to see same serious input.
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# 2
02-13-2010, 02:28 AM


You are obviously playing with some rather crappy Cruiser pilots...

Infact:

t1: Klingon crazy OP.
t2: Fed Crazy OP.
t3: Slight Favour of Fed.
t4: Slight Favour of Fed.
t5: In favour of klingons.

I rarely see any fed escorts out dps cruiser at t3.. Infact correctly built cruiser at that lvl will out dps a escort easily.

People really need to stop making comments regarding the balance Until they've tried both sides...

Ive played a Fed to 45, and currently lvling a klingon..

Fact Is, at t3 Klingon If you dont have a premade grp you will get whooped pretty much every single time.
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# 3
02-13-2010, 02:31 AM
Eh cruiser is one of the best healers in pvp. Its usualy matter of teamwork (or lack of it).
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# 4
02-13-2010, 02:38 AM
to be blunt, and thruthfull.

Any tier if you Premade, you win majority of the games.

Meaning you have support heavy team, dps is never a problem the healing is.
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# 5
02-13-2010, 05:05 AM
OK my Klingon is General , levelt with 100% PvP. I play now a Fed to max level , the same way just do some Quests for Equipment. My Fed char is Comander.
My standard match is Cracked Planet .


T1 : Klings have a crazy favor . Mirindas are just to weak and bulky and the fed. player are bloody new most try pvp the first time. No Team comes up , 5 ships impulse to 5 different directions.

T2: Great Favor for Feds. alot play Cruiser but the Fed players still bloody new to pvp ... , i have to force a team and use a standard makro " Hi its deathmatch , stick together , dont warp around or we lose " . Most of the time this works . But its just the favor , feds play still stupid , autotarget wins the match. Klings decloak not simultan.

T3: No Favor , Klings can have the same stuff like Feds . Feds still crazy bad with pvp unable to learn and to work as a team i still have to force a team . Feds play this matches like PvE its crazy, at last now i have 90 % escorts evry match ...

I dont want to say this but t3 is so hopeless with Fed mates i want to kill my self the most time.





sry for the bad english ...
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# 6
02-13-2010, 09:17 AM
In t3 and beyond, it becomes more and more about who is doing it right, and who is roadkill. Support is everything.

How many people who were pugging it up expect to win in t3? Seriously.
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# 7
02-13-2010, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hunaxor View Post
I have found, that Fed cruisers are sometimes like deadweight (sorry fed mates) at least against escorts or science ships. They dont heal that much. They are not targeted. AND mainly they use beams.

And here is the problem. The nimble KDF cruisers are all cannons, doing like twice the damage of Fed beam cruiser. They are able (due to better handling) to use cannons effectively. So I am facing really tough ships with same weaponry as my paper escort.

I would like to see same serious input.
Ships do not determine healing, your BOFFS and captain skill points do. Engineers make some of the best healers. One of the mai heals, extend shields, is based on your shield power, so you actually are a BETTER healer than science ships. Cruisers make excellent healers because they are tough to kill. I played cruiser all of t3 and was always top healer on either side.

We use regular canons 180 arc, and they are 25-33% more dps than beams, not 200%. If we sacrifice engineering consoles for +turn rate mods our ships are even more fragile.

We've noticed the smart engy/cruiser pilots will spec out to do damage and top even higher level escorts, simply because they go untouched. Get a engy BOFF that is mainly offensive skills instead of defense. If you end up getting your ass handed to you, switch them back when you're not in combat.

So to sum it up, you are wrong on all points. Cya in game
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# 8
02-13-2010, 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digglez
Ships do not determine healing, your BOFFS and captain skill points do. Engineers make some of the best healers. One of the mai heals, extend shields, is based on your shield power, so you actually are a BETTER healer than science ships. Cruisers make excellent healers because they are tough to kill. I played cruiser all of t3 and was always top healer on either side.
Its a shame that extend shields doesn't count towards healing
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# 9
02-13-2010, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Meat_Machine
In t3 and beyond, it becomes more and more about who is doing it right, and who is roadkill. Support is everything.

How many people who were pugging it up expect to win in t3? Seriously.
I completely agree on my fed character in pvp most people think about BO'S powers to protect themselves rather than to support others, my fed character is a science officer to detect cloak in a cruiser for protection and support.
As a klingon as my main character i know we generally go for escorts first as they are the most threat to us and science ships second, so i always role with engineering team and extend shields to protect the escort who is most probably going to get hit
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# 10
02-13-2010, 10:23 AM
aye its the same every time

in general looking at the stats at the end of the game in t2 and beyod

feds have 1-2 people with ANY healing and then its like at the most 12k and was on themselves and the kligons have an average healing of 20k in t2 per player then when we hit t3 and get cruisers the cruiser start getting inane amount of healing

and no i played cruiser on kligon from t3-t5 and i had a total 1 cannon on my builds the rest where beams simply beacse its a cruiser and beams make more since on cruisers(and bc a properly set up cruiser will seldom die on either side as ive played both ) they generaly have more damage at the end of a game bc escorts on either side are about burst damage but they dont last verry long most of the time unless your on a premade team who knows how to heal so no i preferd the galaxy to the vorcha for example bc in my galaxy i could tank 2 bops all day my myself and with another galaxy i could tank the entire kligon team indefinetly beauce the other glaxay would heal me where as when playing on the kligon side it took 2 supporting cruisers to heal me to let e tank the feds indfenetly

it comes down to most feds play solo and most kligons play as a team so kligons win
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