Any serious, objective discussion about balance needs both sides (of equal skill) to agree that a particular mechanic leads to one side invariably winning over the other, no exception.
Otherwise, there is no quantifiable means to tell a game designer or developer that ability 'ABC' is causing problems, not my lack of using 'XYZ' counter properly. (Perhaps 'XYZ' isn't strong enough, but that needs to be tested and agreed upon by both sides.)
PLease let balance PVP. Your nuts if you think for one second PVP is balanced. JUst think about it.
Can you list one advantage the feds have in pvp? dont say hull because its not true.
How many advantages do klingons have in PvP?
comon guys let stop acting like "great PVPers" and fix this game. it will be better.
Tier 2 to Tier 4: Science ships.
Also the difference comes when you pug a lot against other pugs. The federation names I see a lot are those that I "fear" because they generally have learned their stuff the hard way. More than a few federation got a few of their level with pve. While I am sure that there are klingons who used pve to level, there are not a lot and I pity those that did it, there is nothing more boring than Kahless, Kahless MK II or Kahless MK III.
Cloak allows teams to regroup safely after a losing fight
Cloak allows teams to plan a target order before an attack begins, and get an advantageous positon
Cloak allows teams to determine which ship will be focus fired upon first (by order of decloaking)
Battle Cruiser type ships can use Dual Cannon weapons
Battle Cruiser type ships have vastly superior turn rates to Federation equivalents at tier 4+
Bird-of-Prey type ships have universal Bridge Officer slots, making them very versatile
Bird-of-Prey type ships have Battle Cloak, which lets them (attempt to) cloak while in combat
One entire type of ship (Raptor) is almost entirely useless at every tier
No Cruiser-equivalent ship type at tier 2
"Science Vessel" ship type (Bird-of-Prey) has fewer bridge officer slots than other ships at tier
"Science Vessel" ship type (Bird-of-Prey) is much more fragile than Federation equivalent
All ship types are less durable than Federation equivalents, with the possible exception of the Vo'Quv Carrier at tier 5
Klingon players get considerably less Honor (Starfleet Merits) as they level through PvP, which creates a variety of crew-related issues
Klingon players have no natural access to blue rarity gear that Federation players are given as quest rewards, and on average Federation characters are geared considerably better than equal level Klingons
and what do we pay for that with , less hull and shields ,and we NEVER get a science ship ,
Our BoP ships have battle cloak , but we pay for that with one less Bridge Officer slot
Our BoP sihps have universal BO slots , but we pay for that by giving up one of our rear weapon slots .
Seems llike all our advantages come with a serious disadvantage to me .
Disatvantage? I think none of you got to Admiral Rank. Klingos get launch hundrets of fighters and repair drones. So that the fed ships cant even see the enemy ships and have an incredble lag. Just lokk what a cruiser + 20 repair drones + 20 shield repair drones and about 30 Fighters and 10 Bird of prey escort can do. Then the federation ships have not even a littlew chance. if their is an disadvantage then at federation side seriosly.