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# 21
07-23-2014, 01:52 PM
I would gladly give up the Fed/Kdf fleet drivel. to be able to truly be like the Fed and Kdf in terms of truly being independent from them. Look at things another way, If Federation players were told they had to choose to join the Romulans or the Klingons there would be riots, and if Klingon players were told they could only join with the Federation or the Romulans, again there would be bloody murder.


It comes down to fairness.
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# 22
07-23-2014, 03:26 PM
Nope. I'm sticking to the Federation.

Although I wouldn't mind an independence option for those who want it.
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D'kyr for Romulans! Fight for reunification, fight for a bridge to unite our peoples! Fight so that every Federation Romulan can pay 2000 Zen and earn a D'kyr Science Vessel!

D'kyr for Romulans!!
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# 23
07-24-2014, 08:02 AM
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@taut0u,
I wish to say, never say never. Two years ago they said the kdf will never start at level 1. There will never be a romulan faction. Never is a simple dismissive statement that can and has been proven wrong.
I will keep trying to put forward suggestions and positive reinforcement of ideas that can make people happy and improve a good game. The Devs work hard, they give a good product but sometimes can miss for some of their playerbase. These never happen ideas may be what is needed as a suggestion so never becomes 'eventually'.
Well, knowing Cryptic it is easy to predict future. Turning romulans into separate faction from a sub-fraction would cause players to lose their assets as you can have everything your faction has.(ships, gear, doffs, etc.) Cryptic won't take from player what they have. By the way they have made romulans they have not left a way back.

Also, there is no point for them to make a full faction. How can you make money off of it? If you like romulans you can become one already. To make romulans a full faction would require a lot of planing and developing which can not pay back. If any new factions shall be made in STO they shall be made by romulan sub-fraction scheme.

Don't think I am against of independence. It would be great. As you say, who knows. Maybe we shall save Donatra from borg, she shall become empress again. Shall boot D'tan with his friends to Vulcan and rebuild our Star Empire as a full faction.)
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# 24
07-24-2014, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by taut0u View Post
Well, knowing Cryptic it is easy to predict future. Turning romulans into separate faction from a sub-fraction would cause players to lose their assets as you can have everything your faction has.(ships, gear, doffs, etc.) Cryptic won't take from player what they have. By the way they have made romulans they have not left a way back.

Also, there is no point for them to make a full faction. How can you make money off of it? If you like romulans you can become one already. To make romulans a full faction would require a lot of planing and developing which can not pay back. If any new factions shall be made in STO they shall be made by romulan sub-fraction scheme.

Don't think I am against of independence. It would be great. As you say, who knows. Maybe we shall save Donatra from borg, she shall become empress again. Shall boot D'tan with his friends to Vulcan and rebuild our Star Empire as a full faction.)
The answer is the trope. Take a third option. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...keAThirdOption)
And by that use the suggestion made earlier. Go back to the choose your alliegance and put in the option to remain neutral. You get no fed or kdf uniform. No bridge officers, no ships or consoles save what you unlock from lock boxes. Missions run the same regardless of alliegance so just have one of D'tan's aides be the intelligence contact and you are good there. Need backup for Charva's friends? No fed or kdf, just the RR.
Least amount of new code at all.
What players gain: Ability to build their own pure romulan fleets, romulan ships, and romulan fleet uniforms. With romulan elite fleet weapons.
How does this make money? No one already has a romulan base built so all that dillithium and effort has to be spent again.
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# 25
07-24-2014, 02:37 PM
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You get no fed or kdf uniform. No bridge officers, no ships or consoles save what you unlock from lock boxes.
Which means players loose things they have. You can not take things from players because it is an easy way to piss them off. Even when players have received things they are not supposed to have, developer fixes it, but don't take those things from players who had it. You have to make an option which shall keep player items and make it possible to be independent.
Imagine I have a character with all fed Tier 1-4 ships in my roster and full caitian crew. What shall happen to such a character if romulans turn into independent faction?

People are unhappy about having grind. Look at complaints about current fleet holdings, reputations, new crafting system. Starbase grind is past. Dev's shall make new ways to gring, but new ones.
Not many shall regrind starbases. Some shall indeed, but far not all. Especially, small fleets are struggling with current starbases and won't be able to start one more.
They could make an option for the fleet admirals which would turn current fed/kdf fleet into romulan or simply copy it stats and unlocks into new romulan, so no need regrind.

What really annoying is a USS/IKS ship prefixes available on all romulan ships. Some players even use them. lmao But only few have IRW option...

Developers won't wright a single line of code if it is not a profit source. If you would examine this question more attentively you would notice how many bugs which are seemingly easy to fix are still there. (Rename Token, Ship Loadouts, etc.)

Romulans do indeed look like an almost full faction. What lacks are faction specific doff's. But even KDF doesn't have much of them. (Marion Dulmur, Zemok, Hamlet, etc.)If you look at new doff's they are exectly same. Same name, picture, abilities. Only background picture is faction specific.

Reason to make romulans as sub-fraction is easy. No new lvl 0 romulan fleets (to not piss of those who have built their kdf/fed starbases), to give fed/kdf specific gear(no need to make more of new things), PvP queue's (Red against Blue, sry but you better send a link about third option to Cryptic, they know only two).

If to speak about Republic... well, I would rather see it as a miserable sub-fraction. I belong to Empire, so all this republican stuff is not about me anyways. ^^
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# 26
07-24-2014, 03:02 PM
I don't think it would be as much of a 'problem' if players were not able to get ahold of all that KDF/Federation benefits. There have been 'imited time' thingies many times in the past, and I remember Cryptic removing the KDF and fed EV suits and making them vet rewards. They never removed those items for those who had acquired them in that timeframe.

My Romulan character even has the fed EV suit, Cryptic didn't remove them when they made them fed exclusive. I think a similar solution wouldn't be too far fetched if Cryptic ever decided to make Romulans truly independent.
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# 27
07-24-2014, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by taut0u View Post
Which means players loose things they have. You can not take things from players because it is an easy way to piss them off. Even when players have received things they are not supposed to have, developer fixes it, but don't take those things from players who had it. You have to make an option which shall keep player items and make it possible to be independent.
Imagine I have a character with all fed Tier 1-4 ships in my roster and full caitian crew. What shall happen to such a character if romulans turn into independent faction?

People are unhappy about having grind. Look at complaints about current fleet holdings, reputations, new crafting system. Starbase grind is past. Dev's shall make new ways to gring, but new ones.
Not many shall regrind starbases. Some shall indeed, but far not all. Especially, small fleets are struggling with current starbases and won't be able to start one more.
They could make an option for the fleet admirals which would turn current fed/kdf fleet into romulan or simply copy it stats and unlocks into new romulan, so no need regrind.

What really annoying is a USS/IKS ship prefixes available on all romulan ships. Some players even use them. lmao But only few have IRW option...

Developers won't wright a single line of code if it is not a profit source. If you would examine this question more attentively you would notice how many bugs which are seemingly easy to fix are still there. (Rename Token, Ship Loadouts, etc.)

Romulans do indeed look like an almost full faction. What lacks are faction specific doff's. But even KDF doesn't have much of them. (Marion Dulmur, Zemok, Hamlet, etc.)If you look at new doff's they are exectly same. Same name, picture, abilities. Only background picture is faction specific.

Reason to make romulans as sub-fraction is easy. No new lvl 0 romulan fleets (to not piss of those who have built their kdf/fed starbases), to give fed/kdf specific gear(no need to make more of new things), PvP queue's (Red against Blue, sry but you better send a link about third option to Cryptic, they know only two).

If to speak about Republic... well, I would rather see it as a miserable sub-fraction. I belong to Empire, so all this republican stuff is not about me anyways. ^^
See as much as I wish we could choose to side with the empire or the republic we both see it as set in stone at this point. My point on a third option is not to take away from existing characters. But to give a new option to new ones.
So if Peter wants to be a fed-rom he is.
Paul can play a kdf-rom.
But mary has the option to be just Romulan.
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# 28
07-24-2014, 08:35 PM
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See as much as I wish we could choose to side with the empire or the republic we both see it as set in stone at this point. My point on a third option is not to take away from existing characters. But to give a new option to new ones.
So if Peter wants to be a fed-rom he is.
Paul can play a kdf-rom.
But mary has the option to be just Romulan.
My thoughts exactly.
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# 29
07-25-2014, 06:33 AM
Silence Romulan labor force...

And get back to work in the KDF/UFP dilithium mines...we need that dilithium to make ships for the war that ends when players reach "A new Accord"

independant faction nonsense...cryptic just wants your moneys, And the 2 real factions want their free *work for us because you like our ideals* labor

You even get charge'd dil to use one of your chosen faction's ships xD
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# 30
07-25-2014, 06:54 AM
I love this kind of enthusiasm and of course I agree, romulan brother!

It may happen a long time in the future, but, if the story has to advance, there will be necessity for more conflicts (during or after the one announced with the Iconians) and occasions to experiment what too often is called "the spirit of ST": the path they choose to put us Romulans, if of course this game will want to offer something to attract new players and keep faithful old ones, leads inevitably to indipendence.
And so Empire/Republic reconstruction must happen: it opens so much great narrative options, just ready to explore.

That's one of the reason why I have accepted the compromise to play in this timeline and why I think it's the natural step after having so greatly recreated the settings and the lifestyle of the Romulans: how great was the Romulan city on Brea III during "Cutting the Cord"?
That is were I want my Tal'exa to live, given the time to build all of this.

As a matter of fact, I didn't exclude some new temporal missions that could restore Romulus itself!

Jolan Tru^^
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