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Lt. Commander
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# 21
02-14-2010, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cocoa-jin View Post
Then you know as much as anybody what the KDF has to endure against the Fed Ball...you blame KDF players for playing smart(valuing survival over mindlessly smashing into a well managed Fed Ball). You blame them instead of the **** poor PvP areanas which leaves even bored KDF rolled Fed forgetting that no one queuing into PvP is entitled to have opposing deaths laid before them on a silver platter.

Even Klingons are allowed to recognize a losing situtation and bide thier time for more advantgous conditions, especially when the scenerio isnt pressing or important...with these PvP sessions, there is nothing to gain in the first place. Klingon lives are not to be wasted for nothing, some of us realize that.

Some of us refuse to have our tactical/strategic mindsets corrupted by a meaningless, purposeless and pre-arranged "play dates" the devs call PvP. If you had to wait 20 mins it because the devs never gave you or us the option to do anything other than grab 1200 pts of 15 kills for nohing.

You applied a well managed Fed Ball...great, its a good defense while you wait for a KDF to slip up...so is waiting under cloak for Feds to do the same.
Reading hurts you doesn't it. It was a 5v5 game. Fed 2 on vent, 3 PuGs, against a BoK Klingon Premade. For the first 5-10 minutes they went around ganking 1 of the Fed PuGs for the first 4 kills. Then they decided to attack the 4 of us Feds who were waiting for them to attack. When they did, they killed one of our escorts and lost 2 ships. Seeing that, they decided to bail out before getting owned.

I can understand that, but it does not take more than 5 minutes to reform and replan as a Klingon. This is from making 39 in OB and 45 now as a Klingon. And guess what, on our Klingons we bring the fight to you, we don't waste time in cloak for 15 minutes, it's dishonorable, petty, and stupid for all involved.


-Dom, 45 Klingon
-Jade, 24 Federation
Lt. Commander
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# 22
02-14-2010, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by madgelo View Post
more Feds QQing, what else is new
Your ignorance is embarrassing.
Lt. Commander
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# 23
02-14-2010, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonster
Dude read his post. It was a BoK premade full team. They weren't out numbered, they were just being idiots. They were obviously waiting for people to drop so the odds would be against the Feds. He also wasn't making his proclamation towards the whole Faction, but rather these select few griefing idiots.
smart tactics....they dont want to die or lose any more than the Feds. Its poor PvP design fot thier to be no way to move from objective area to objective area, going from where there was no fight to where there is a fight.

Its pressumptious of the Feds to assume thier Fed Ball would be fed...unless you just have to hold the area, no military force will just slam into a stronger force unless they have no choice(or have a point to make). The devs screwed up by locking us in pointless PvP sessions.
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# 24
02-14-2010, 11:09 PM
FEDBALL is your tactic, why shouldnt klingon use theirs?

QQ some more Feddies
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# 25
02-14-2010, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cocoa-jin View Post
smart tactics....they dont want to die or lose any more than the Feds. Its poor PvP design fot thier to be no way to move from objective area to objective area, going from where there was no fight to where there is a fight.

Its pressumptious of the Feds to assume thier Fed Ball would be fed...unless you just have to hold the area, no military force will just slam into a stronger force unless they have no choice(or have a point to make). The devs screwed up by locking us in pointless PvP sessions.
Non-sequitur. If they don't like deathmatch there are objective based maps. Again don't defend stupid actions like this, or it will hurt the faction. You're not doing the Klingons any good by being an apologizer for *******.
Lt. Commander
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# 26
02-14-2010, 11:11 PM
Not every one in the game like to die some of us out there think of death is a penalty enough and since im not a BOK guy i cant say any thing about them but i can say somthing. Since Klingons are the only playable race with a working PVP stealthing device they get the option to actually employ a broader array of tactics which take time to implement and to get into positioning for which should break the federation deathball. Ive played as both federation and klingon in PVP. It is hard to break the federation deathball even more so with minimum loss. One thing most people keep forgetting that in PVP there is an even greater punishment for dieing than there is for PVE. In PVE when you die you have to respawn and wait for a few minor things but in PVP you have the same penalty but there is somthing else !!!!EVERY TIME YOU OR SOME ONE ELSE DIES ON YOUR TEAM IS ONE POINT CLOSER FOR THE ENEMY TO WIN!!!! You need to use stealth based hit and run tactics plus asteroid and nebula tactics to win against it noe one wants the enemy team to win and whats worse your whining about a team that was orginized and trying to actually break a death ball. They dont need to be yelled at they need a pat on the back for actually trying. If you dont want to wait so long for an attack try to orginize your Federation team into two small groups or somthing and go hunting for the klingons. You should always have one or two stealth breaking abillities on your ship mo matter what you fly and no matter what your class but what you put on your ship is your perogitive.
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# 27
02-14-2010, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SamuraiJiang
Reading hurts you doesn't it. It was a 5v5 game. Fed 2 on vent, 3 PuGs, against a BoK Klingon Premade. For the first 5-10 minutes they went around ganking 1 of the Fed PuGs for the first 4 kills. Then they decided to attack the 4 of us Feds who were waiting for them to attack. When they did, they killed one of our escorts and lost 2 ships. Seeing that, they decided to bail out before getting owned.

I can understand that, but it does not take more than 5 minutes to reform and replan as a Klingon. This is from making 39 in OB and 45 now as a Klingon. And guess what, on our Klingons we bring the fight to you, we don't waste time in cloak for 15 minutes, it's dishonorable, petty, and stupid for all involved.


-Dom, 45 Klingon
-Jade, 24 Federation
You act like thier pull back was an unsound descision. Im arguning it was smart...you argued/stated they are cowards and griefers.

Im saying you come across as pressumptious and entitled Feds who assume the KDF has to deliver thier own heads on a silver platter for you.

You won the engagement but you can only accept it if you rack up the 15 kills and get the pretty scoreboard to boast over. You insult the out-matched group who did the smart thing and pulled back until the situtation was more beneficial. You actuall made the mistake of thinking the score card has to tell you when you win...you cant see and accept the win unless it comes with gold stars and stickers.
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# 28
02-14-2010, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonster
Non-sequitur. If they don't like deathmatch there are objective based maps. Again don't defend stupid actions like this, or it will hurt the faction. You're not doing the Klingons any good by being an apologizer for *******.
I wont call it stupid...if this was a open PvP war, thier actions would have been the smart and correct choice. Its not thier faults the option for a tactical fall back or re-assignment of objectives does not exist in this "war".

some of you are here for frag-fests and gladiator matches...some of us are here for tactical/strategic gameplay...even if the devs failed to provide the environment for it.

Once again, they pressume we are here to fulfill their desires for stat wh0ring...we arent.
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# 29
02-14-2010, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Zautin View Post
I recently rolled a fed char who is in the Commander tier, myself and a fleetmate with 3 PuGs came against one of BoK's premades.

We did the normal Fed thing and sat together. One of our pugs had already ventured off and got killed a couple times with no sign of the Klingons. We didn't think much of it, they are pugs afterall. Well after 5 minuites of waiting for them to show up they finally engage the 4 of us sitting there, we lose an escort and they lose 2 ships, then battle cloak and run like cowards.

After they killed our loose PuG a couple more times we decided to go find him and stick together. After we found him and got together, they tried once more to fight us. After killing one of thier ships they again ran like cowards and for the next 15 minuites NEVER tried to fight again.

The match we left at was tied 6/6 , 5 kills due to the random pug they farmed.

Names and Shame -

Edit: removed
The fifth went offline before I could /who him. His Klingon characters name is Edit: removed

You are all a disgrace to the Klingon faction, My fleet has NEVER pulled anything even close to this kind of failhattery. If i ever heard of any of my fleetmates doing so I would remove them immeadeatly.


Za'Rex
Proud Leader of Murder

Zautin
(Fed) Murder Fleet

This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Dionaea
I'm not BoK.

I'm actually pretty sure BoK people hate me.

But I will say this: You are a whiner and need to go cry elsewhere.

If you don't like losing, then maybe you shouldn't PVP. Regardless of how much skill or lack there of the BOK people may or may not have had, the bottom line is you're just sad in the pants because you wanted to win and couldn't get it.

You made the right call to leave the game if you weren't enjoying it even though you are probably exaggerating about the game length as that is what all whiners do, but coming to the forums to QQ about it was a bad move. Aside from venting your angst to feel better, what exactly do you hope to accomplish? You want BoK to disband? You want them to kick those 5 members just because some whiner posted their names on the forum? What exactly do you want other than attention and sympathy?

You'll get over your little tantrum then it'll be all over, I recommend you just go take a little nap and have some juice. If PVP makes you so angry, you should really stick to PVE.
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# 30
02-14-2010, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cocoa-jin View Post
I wont call it stupid...if this was a open PvP war, thier actions would have been the smart and correct choice. Its not thier faults the option for a tactical fall back or re-assignment of objectives does not exist in this "war".

some of you are here for frag-fests and gladiator matches...some of us are here for tactical/strategic gameplay...even if the devs failed to provide the environment for it.

Once again, they pressume we are here to fulfill their desires for stat wh0ring...we arent.
Nothing you said excuses people cloaking for 15 minutes, or until the sides are uneven, because the people on the Klingon side sucked so bad they couldn't win with even numbers. You're just going all over the place to excuse their stupidity. I love the Klingon faction, but the way people are behaving in this thread makes me want to switch to the Fed side.

Just because PVP isn't perfect, doesn't give Klingons an free-pass to do what ever they want, and act like cowardly dogs because they can't win an even match. You're going off on tangents that have nothing to do with this situation. Sorry I'm not buying it.
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