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http://article.nationalreview.com/32...ors/ilya-somin

The author's humorously ignorant understanding of Marxism and Socialism aside, I find this article to be quite intriguing. No, not in its content but more in the manner in which a conservative mind processes the components of the Star Trek Universe. Things that are harmful and understandable origins - the predominance of Humans in Starfleet being the byproduct of budget limitations - are turned into the basis of interstellar explotiation and oppressive dictatorial regimes. When Star Trek is viewed as entertainment, it is understandable that the Right Wing would have no problem with it. But on a more intellectual level, it seems odd that there hasn't been a knee-jerk, Cold War-era, response to Star Trek's themes. My questions to the community are as follows:

Right Wingers, how do you reconcile your affection for the series and the abundance of concepts which are inherently contradictory to your belief system?

Everyone else, what do you think of the author's conclusions about the Star Trek universe? Is its formulation "unforunate" as the author suggests? Does it indoctrinate? When you play Federation, are you infact taking part in a sterilzed, Left-Wing, "Evil Empire"?
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# 2
02-15-2010, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrian-Thorn View Post
http://article.nationalreview.com/32...ors/ilya-somin

The author's humorously ignorant understanding of Marxism and Socialism aside, I find this article to be quite intriguing. No, not in its content but more in the manner in which a conservative mind processes the components of the Star Trek Universe. Things that are harmful and understandable origins - the predominance of Humans in Starfleet being the byproduct of budget limitations - are turned into the basis of interstellar explotiation and oppressive dictatorial regimes. When Star Trek is viewed as entertainment, it is understandable that the Right Wing would have no problem with it. But on a more intellectual level, it seems odd that there hasn't been a knee-jerk, Cold War-era, response to Star Trek's themes. My questions to the community are as follows:

Right Wingers, how do you reconcile your affection for the series and the abundance of concepts which are inherently contradictory to your belief system?

Everyone else, what do you think of the author's conclusions about the Star Trek universe? Is its formulation "unforunate" as the author suggests? Does it indoctrinate? When you play Federation, are you infact taking part in a sterilzed, Left-Wing, "Evil Empire"?
It is an interesting, but deeply flawed article in a few ways (Including some you mention above, such as the predominance of humans being due to budget limits, etc...). The major flaw is that the article does not consider the impact of the elimination of scarcity. The federation has replicators, highly efficient energy generation, and most likely effectively unlimited space via inexpensive space travel. You have now eliminated almost all the problems a government might have to deal with. Add in Holodecks and the vast majority of Federation citizens live in a Utopian existence. They want for nothing. The adventuresome (and troublesome) component of the population have a combination of Federation service (Starfleet probably being only one example), emigration (settling of new planets), and Holoplay as outlets. The reason why Trek glosses over the potential problems with a 'socialist federalist' society is that most of the problems are ameliorated by the elimination of scarcity.
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# 3
02-15-2010, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrian-Thorn View Post
http://article.nationalreview.com/32...ors/ilya-somin

The author's humorously ignorant understanding of Marxism and Socialism aside, I find this article to be quite intriguing. No, not in its content but more in the manner in which a conservative mind processes the components of the Star Trek Universe. Things that are harmful and understandable origins - the predominance of Humans in Starfleet being the byproduct of budget limitations - are turned into the basis of interstellar explotiation and oppressive dictatorial regimes. When Star Trek is viewed as entertainment, it is understandable that the Right Wing would have no problem with it. But on a more intellectual level, it seems odd that there hasn't been a knee-jerk, Cold War-era, response to Star Trek's themes. My questions to the community are as follows:

Right Wingers, how do you reconcile your affection for the series and the abundance of concepts which are inherently contradictory to your belief system?

Everyone else, what do you think of the author's conclusions about the Star Trek universe? Is its formulation "unforunate" as the author suggests? Does it indoctrinate? When you play Federation, are you infact taking part in a sterilzed, Left-Wing, "Evil Empire"?

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02-15-2010, 07:45 PM
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This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Dionaea.
Dude, calm down. This definitely is NOT the venue for political vehemence.
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# 5
02-15-2010, 07:51 PM
It's just a TV program, made nearly 50 years ago.
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02-15-2010, 07:53 PM
Plus, you know, he didn't right it, he asked what you thought of the questions the article posed.
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# 7
02-15-2010, 07:56 PM
I could totally see how Republicans would react if cryogenically frozen and re-awakened in the Star Trek Universe.

"But... but... how am I supposed to make money by exploiting the weak and stupid?"

They'd feel right at home on Ferengi Nar (except Ann Coulter, but screw that *****).
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# 8
02-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Who exactly are you speaking to, Fork? I am not a Republican, nor a Democrat. I voted for Nader.


Nonsense aside, I think you raise an excellent point Daniel. It is curious that for all the examination the author did, he ignored such an obvious element of the Star Trek universe. I also find his discussion of Individual Freedom to be curious. Freedom to what? We know there are Federation businesses. We know Federation citizens are free to speak their mind. I can't seem to find a single freedom we possess today that a Federation citizen would not possess.

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It's just a TV program, made nearly 50 years ago.
While that is is true, that does not change its political relevancy or its popularity. Roddenberry had clear beliefs that were expressed in his work. What they mean and how the are interpreted by audiences is still quite interesting.

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I could totally see how Republicans would react if cryogenically frozen and re-awakened in the Star Trek Universe.

"But... but... how am I supposed to make money by exploiting the weak and stupid?"

They'd feel right at home on Ferengi Nar
I believe it would be wrong to misconstrue the response to Star Trek in purely partisan terms. I know many Republicans who believe what they do because they believe it is necessary, not necessarily because it is right. I suspect many of them would adapt quite easily to life in the Federation.

Still, you bring up an interesting point - one that I've thought about myself quite a bit. The Ferengi, and their individualistic, free market capitalism culture should be quite appealing to Right Wingers. As Quark pointed out, the Ferengi do not have wars and their society is fairly stable. Still, I can't seem to find any Right Winger to defend them; muchless admire them.
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# 9
02-15-2010, 08:16 PM
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Dude, calm down. This definitely is NOT the venue for political vehemence.
Exactly why it shouldn't have been brought here. The OP effectively peed in my Wheaties. Why would anyone bring a link to that insulting, biased piece of political fodder, that was written by someone who obviously has seen a total of one episode, and by seen I mean had it on in the next room by accident while he jacked it to pictures of sarah palin. To these forums, why. To pee in my wheaties, that why. He wants my opinion, hes got it.
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# 10
02-15-2010, 08:35 PM
My political views more or less do not care about this discrepancy, because I have the mental fortitude to realize that it's really just a budget constraint thing with TV programming that most aliens look only marginally different than humans, and to shrug it off.
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