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# 11
08-27-2014, 01:41 AM
They addressed that didn't they? It's based around skill points again (one of the very few things that players don't have lying around in insane quantities):

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/sta...detail/6009103

"From levels 1 through 50, you have earned Skill Points throughout the game, via playing Mission Content, Queued Events, and other methods like our Duty Officer System.
As you have leveled up, you’ve spent Skill Points in your captains Skill Tree until you max out at level 50. After the level cap increase goes live, you will continue to level by earning and spending Skill Points earned throughout the new content that will premier with Delta Rising. What will change is that these will only be used to track your progress as you approach the new level cap of 60."

The hope, for me, is that using skill points means that you will level by your favoured means - playing episodes, repeatable missions, DOffing or PVP.
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# 12
08-28-2014, 09:34 AM
Dev: Before the launch of the new expansion, we will completely take out all skill point rewards for pee VEE pee. We want all players to experience the new content with optimal immersion by playing the story line.
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# 13
08-29-2014, 04:40 PM
Im not even trying to troll here, honestly. Just curious.

Why are a few people so obsessed with PVP, in a game where the PVP is so woefully underdeveloped and unsupported it might as well not exist?

If all you care about is PVP, why not play another game that is focused towards PVP, as opposed to STO which is focused towards PVE? I'm not suggesting anyone should, i am just interested in why people continue to flog a dead horse.

Is it because its free?
Is it because its the only real star trek game?
Or is it the reason i often hear that people prefer a real opponent to the PVE stuff?

I'm genuinely curious. Every time a new season is released, people speculate on what will be new and happening with PVP. The answer is the same now as it has always been, nothing. I just don't see the continued appeal. Its so niche, I don't see how the people who love it so much get any real satisfaction.
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# 14
08-30-2014, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by caldannach View Post
Im not even trying to troll here, honestly. Just curious.

Why are a few people so obsessed with PVP, in a game where the PVP is so woefully underdeveloped and unsupported it might as well not exist?

If all you care about is PVP, why not play another game that is focused towards PVP, as opposed to STO which is focused towards PVE? I'm not suggesting anyone should, i am just interested in why people continue to flog a dead horse.

Is it because its free?
Is it because its the only real star trek game?
Or is it the reason i often hear that people prefer a real opponent to the PVE stuff?

I'm genuinely curious. Every time a new season is released, people speculate on what will be new and happening with PVP. The answer is the same now as it has always been, nothing. I just don't see the continued appeal. Its so niche, I don't see how the people who love it so much get any real satisfaction.
you already have said the answers, so what your fishing for is someone to argue with,

HI

ya, its free (not anywhere REALLY free, most us pvpers have paid in spades, because we need high end, but that's ok)

ya we love star trek, wana fight about it? (we are in the pvp forums after all, we all love to fight- not hug the computer for doing the same stupid predictable thing everytime we load up the stf and SOME HOW gleam fun, skill, knowledge of the game, teamwork, or even some form of glory off of it)

and ya, we like to fight thinking opponents, why? cause of the challenge, and the win feels that much sweeter, any FOOL can beat infected, ANY IDOT can beat the borg queen, go up against TEAMS of some of the best geared and highly skilled players and if that doesn't get your heart pounding WHEN you win against that, then your just dead inside

final thought, loads have been released for pvp, cues, consoles, ships, traits, ...wait! NO REALLY, WAIT. are you serious?


...

really? YOU think half that stuff they released these last 3 years was directed at pvers? tell me why you would need nukara mines? ... to beat a tac cube? to what? stall some spheres? COMON MAN, a little girl, flying a mirror ship, fresh level 50, with junk gear, and a JACKED BOFF layout could BEAT infected elite... WHAT on earth do you think this stuff was REALLY released FOR?!?

TO give you an ATOMIC BOMB to kill a fly?!?

TO make it so even if a person is BLIND they could mash buttons their way to victory in stfs?!?

pvpers are the ones crunching the numbers of the effects of EVERYTHING in this game

pvers (lets talk the pve kings) care about one thing only, speed of completion- that's it, and because pve is so stupidly simple the only thing that matters is damage, sooo the pvekings ONLY care about dps and that's it, they don't bother themselves with heals, they don't bother themselves at all really with defense and really don't bother with team work, cause in the end, the only thing that matters is -

that you know how to do the dance in the stf or you don't, and once you know the dance - good lord everything else is just a keybind away

pvp is not that, pvp is no 2 matches are the same-

you wonder why anyone would bother pvping in this game?

I shoot back why would ANYONE that considers themselves a GAMER be playing this stupid game after 4 months?!?, cause in UNDER 4 months, you would already have top gear, know the dances, have the builds, and be tired already of your 19th play through on some sad, tired, lifeless, story mission AND WOULD JUST MOVE ON TO some other- much prettier, much more engaging, more challenging, mmo

and theres ONLY a ton of mmo's to pick from


I guess you really do think you need those t6 ships LOL!!! to have a challenge or should I say overcome... the challenge... that is... stfs. right?

common man, I think you have been looking at this entire show from the wrong perspective, I think you believe all of these doffs, traits, ships, consoles have been put in place... for... what? you the pver? common MAN, they ARE NOT STUPID AT CRYPTIC, they see how silly easy stfs are, they release this stuff for pvpers man, and it gets fine tuned by pvpers

hell, if we left it all up to the pvers, nukara mines (don't know why I keep using that one, out of a hundred examples) but, ok, nukara mines would still do insane hold, disable, and damage LOL

pvers don't care about balance, they care about mash keybind to do max damage, that simple- oh ya! and don't forget your footwork through the dance

as to the bulk of the pvers, lets face it, they are here to socialize and roleplay, that's cool, color their uniform, pretend their in star fleet, explore the galaxy, that's awesome,

its weird at times to be a hardened pvper, walking through droza station back in the day, on the way to the exchange to check the prices on some doffs for pvp, only to pass by all roleplayers spending their nights just typing it all out- couple times it really hit me how really cool mmos are, and how they can fill a need for a variety gaming fun for folks,

some come to an mmo for this, others for that, and yet we all swim together in the same pool

crazy when you think about that

anyways, your nuts if you think half this stuff cryptic has released is not geared for pvp

sorry for the long post, as always
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# 15
08-30-2014, 05:17 AM
Do you really think what you think?
Pvers are the main market. They are the ones who buy the most traits and gear. lol They don't need it to beat their ISE 1001 time indeed. But if you would read teh forum you would see their "hype" when new lockbox cheese is being released.
And the reason to release items is simple. It makes an impression of the game being developed. They are not releasing real challenging and interesting content, but small new shinny items. From pvp perspective it makes it only worse, because they forget about such thing as balance which pvpers need.
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# 16
08-30-2014, 07:58 AM
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Do you really think what you think?
Pvers are the main market. They are the ones who buy the most traits and gear. lol They don't need it to beat their ISE 1001 time indeed. But if you would read teh forum you would see their "hype" when new lockbox cheese is being released.
Yup, and thanks to the average attention span of most gamers (roughly equivilant to that of a squirrel) this new hyped-up gimmick will be used for a week before it's placed in the bank never to be seen again. PvPers are the folks that do more long term impact calculations and actually integrate every mechanic into the current playstyle. Everyone else just seems to get a lot of shallow enjoyment out of PvE and that's basically it. PvP is deeper.
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# 17
08-30-2014, 06:38 PM
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you already have said the answers, so what your fishing for is someone to argue with,

HI

{Long message follows}
I really wasn't fishing for someone to argue with. Been there done that and its pointless. As i said i was genuinely curious.

I agree the PVE content is boring, and too easy right now. But that still doesn't justify to me why some people think pvp is actually any better. It has 2 game modes. Very few maps or features. Its basically just team deathmatch every time. And you say PVE is limited? Yes i see the points you made about a thinking opponent, and every game is different.....but come one, do you really actually believe these things?

Every game is different? Well, while that sounds good, its not really true. Either one team has more spam or cheese than the other team, or one team has better escorts and a healer or two than the other team. If you play organised competitive matches then maybe its real good at those lofty heights, but in the queues its no way near as glam as you made it sound.

Ill put it this way, i played a lot of pvp games, or games with pvp features, and not one of them was as quickly forgotten as STO's for me personally. Probably because its barely even a feature.

Which brings me onto the other thing you mentioned about pve not being the focus of STO. Really? It most certainly is the focus and if you don't see that you are only kidding yourself.

Yes no one needs nukara mines to kill borg cubes. Just like no one needs the Ferengi lobi set to kill a Borg Cube. Doesn't mean people can't, or won't use them to do so though. Not everything in the game is there to be part of a min/max build. Not everyone plays like that. Some people like to play different stuff, change their builds, try new things etc etc. Yes you don't need to in order to win, but some people just rather have fun and mix it up sometimes.

I am not intending to start a "my dad is bigger than your dad" argument, i am honestly just amazed anyone plays STO pvp anymore, as anything more than a time filler. Due to the fact it goes continuously unsupported update after update. I just play other games if i feel like pvp.
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Last edited by caldannach; 08-30-2014 at 06:41 PM.
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# 18
08-30-2014, 09:33 PM
What bugs me is at launch this game fixed alot of quality of life problems many other mmos suffered from. But now in guild wars I can lvl a toon 0-80 ALL in pvp and never touch pve. Having to suffer though more pve in this game makes me.....a sad panda...oh the irony haha
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