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# 21
08-26-2014, 12:08 PM
Must Hilbert think of everything?

Two thumbs up for his simple and elegant solution.
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# 22
08-26-2014, 12:10 PM
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Blah blah blah blah blah.
Some of us really only frequent the PvP forum. Some of us also enjoy things like "fun", "community", and "social interaction". Most of the build and mechanics discussions are just a chorus of "I agree!" because we're preaching to the converted.
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# 23
08-26-2014, 12:45 PM
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uh-oh...

*artificial gravity turns back on*
Uh oh, apparently some klingon put a batleth on the floor....

*splat*

To the OP: signed, signed again and signed another time. Oh, and signed too.

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# 24
08-26-2014, 01:00 PM
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Uh oh, apparently some klingon put a batleth on the floor....

*splat*

To the OP: signed, signed again and signed another time. Oh, and signed too.
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# 25
08-26-2014, 01:19 PM
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Uh oh, apparently some klingon put a batleth on the floor....

*splat*

To the OP: signed, signed again and signed another time. Oh, and signed too.
personal shields ftw.
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# 26
08-26-2014, 01:37 PM
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personal shields ftw.
Oh, right! I knew you're a smart Fed!
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# 27
08-26-2014, 01:57 PM
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personal shields ftw.
They don't protect from melee, sorry...

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# 28
08-26-2014, 02:07 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not the one who makes the decision. This is just my own somewhat informed opinion.

And I'm of two minds about it.

On the one hand, it's not a totally unreasonable suggestion. It's technically feasible.

But.

First of all, let's talk about the elephant in the room. If some of you are thinking that you'd get your very own subforum where you can trash talk and break normal forum rules, that isn't going to happen. The adversarial nature of many of the 'social' posts in this forum is not acceptable. Moving it somewhere else doesn't make it better.

If you really want your own little corner of the forums to socialize in, some of you need to learn to play nice. PWE has no incentive to encourage more of the same thing that they're trying to put a lid on, and the case for setting up a dedicated subforum is practically doomed from the start.

Secondly, PWE needs to answer the question for itself whether the PvE community needs it's own independent social area and whether that's in their best interests to promote. In other words, why should you guys get different treatment from other members of the community?

Well, there is precedent. First of all, RP'ers got their own subforum under Ten Forward for fan fic. Fleets get their own forums. There are separate discussion forums for Feds, KDF, and Romulans. So I think there is a case to be made in favor of it.

But does it really need its' own subforum? Probably depends on what you mean by "social stuff".

The stuff that got moved, removed, or closed wasn't "hey let's go raid Kerrat Friday night!" or "That was a great match yesterday!". I personally would never think of interfering with that, even though it's not necessarily PvP feedback. We've always allowed people to organize matches on this forum and I don't see that changing.

Was it roleplaying in a PvP context? We have an existing forum set aside for roleplay. Why do we need another one? I'm not shooting you down here, I'm inviting you to make the case for it. It's not me you have to convince.

Was it trash talking? A lot of that is very borderline where the forum rules go, and some people go way over the border. One or two posts here and there, with no clear violation of the rules, maybe we could turn a blind eye to if nobody gets upset. Pages and pages of the stuff? If it looks like an argument or flaming, we're going to shut it down period.

Another thing about the forums to remember is that in the end it's all about promoting the game. Among other considerations it means that the forum has to be actively managed and focused on things that promote the game. I can tell you from my own personal experience that the more categories, forums, and subforums that get added the harder it is to manage.

Some of you may remember the last time BranFlakes reorganized the forums. A lot of discussion went on about which forums were needed and which were not. Some of the changes were made based on player feedback. Other changes were made based on Dev feedback. I remember that the idea of creating a lot of different subforums was shot down. Partly because of forum management issues and I think partly because it was seen as unproductive. Sometimes simpler and 'flatter' is better.

IMO, it boils down to this: Would a PvP-centric social subforum promote the game in a positive light, benefit the PvP community, and be worth any additional forum management necessary?

I'm not at all convinced the answer to that question is 'yes'. It would be great for some of you, if it stayed free of trolls and flames and arguments. But the way things are going and have been for a long time now? Just a lot more closed threads and moderation, I'm afraid.

Again, this is my own personal opinion. I don't make the decision. Make your case and maybe PWE will grant your wish.
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# 29
08-26-2014, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
First of all, let's talk about the elephant in the room. If some of you are thinking that you'd get your very own subforum where you can trash talk and break normal forum rules, that isn't going to happen. The adversarial nature of many of the 'social' posts in this forum is not acceptable. Moving it somewhere else doesn't make it better.

If you really want your own little corner of the forums to socialize in, some of you need to learn to play nice. PWE has no incentive to encourage more of the same thing that they're trying to put a lid on, and the case for setting up a dedicated subforum is practically doomed from the start.

Secondly, PWE needs to answer the question for itself whether the PvE community needs it's own independent social area and whether that's in their best interests to promote. In other words, why should you guys get different treatment from other members of the community?
Mancoms OP doesn't ask for a section to RP flame each other to death in. He isn't talking about threads you guys nuke because they have become toxic. We are talking about threads that are constantly getting moved to ten forward. As they are not offensive or full of anything against the rules, it simply doesn't apply directly to the "PvP feedback" section.

As for PvE people not getting the same treatment. So what. Life isn't about what someone else has. There 2 very different communities. Having said that it can easily be argued that the entirety of the rest of the forums is one big PvE section. Really if Cryptic feels they need it add subforums there to... that really isn't out concern. What they have or do not have has no effect on my life.

Thank you for the in depth response BG. I hope you pass the idea up to those who make such decisions. Its a simple add to the sub forum parent. 2min of work. I have no doubt if it happens you and the other mods will have to likely make it clear RP style smack talk that goes over the line is still not welcome. Can't say it will make your lives easier, it won't make it any harder. It will mean fewer of our threads will get sent to the ten forward or general feedback dust bin. Which would make for a much better user experience. Which is what Cryptic should mainly be concerned with.
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# 30
08-26-2014, 02:33 PM
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies .


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