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# 21
09-02-2014, 11:53 AM
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So the counter to vapers is sci, just something you have to live with when you fly a tac/escort.
vapers counters has always been sci. Nevertheless, as an escort i should be able of do something. Is not okay when you do everything wrong with the vape, and still get away alive. Vaping has always been a high risk - high profit playstyle, since always. Now is a hight profit - no risk.

Vapers were VERY effective way before this console, with this damm console is just plain stupid. If vapers keep crossing the line with this console, they will end like the fawtards, obsolete cause the fbp, but in this case it will be cause everyone will be running snooper builds with the nebula console

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Considering how much vapers invest to be able to get away, it should take an equal investment in order to be able to have a good chance to catch them.
how much they invest to get away? LOL, 1 console slot. Undine jump + evasives and done, u don't even need the singularity jump.
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# 22
09-02-2014, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by playhard88 View Post
vapers counters has always been sci. Nevertheless, as an escort i should be able of do something. Is not okay when you do everything wrong with the vape, and still get away alive. Vaping has always been a high risk - high profit playstyle, since always. Now is a hight profit - no risk.
As an escort you can still do something, work with a sci. Or watch to see where they went in phase, because if they didn't get their escape properly executed (we will come back to this), they won't go far.

There is still very much a large risk. People are just getting better at it, just as those who snoop have gotten better. Most vapers know their own setups well enough to tell if the strike is going to succeed or not right away. I'll give up on a vape halfway through it just to make sure I get away because I'll know before the target that something has gone wrong.

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Vapers were VERY effective way before this console, with this damm console is just plain stupid. If vapers keep crossing the line with this console, they will end like the fawtards, obsolete cause the fbp, but in this case it will be cause everyone will be running snooper builds with the nebula console
If someone wants to run a snooper build to find vapers, then by all means they should. Vaping has a plethora of counters these days, this one console didn't make vapers invulnerable to everything overnight. The honest problem with this console is when it's used with other clicky get out of jail free consoles in places like team arena.

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how much they invest to get away? LOL, 1 console slot. Undine jump + evasives and done, u don't even need the singularity jump.
If you think it is as simple as one console, go for it. Again I'm not in the business of opening my bag of tricks to the world, but no, it's way more timing and other skills than just one console.
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# 23
09-02-2014, 03:06 PM
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As an escort you can still do something, work with a sci. Or watch to see where they went in phase, because if they didn't get their escape properly executed (we will come back to this), they won't go far.
Again, if the escort can't do ANYTHING, something is wrong. If the fastest ships in the game can't catch up a guy running away even once, there is something wrong. By the time that the phase effect run out, you can be over 20km+ away in any direction and have your cloak coldown ready way before someone can catch you.

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If you think it is as simple as one console, go for it. Again I'm not in the business of opening my bag of tricks to the world, but no, it's way more timing and other skills than just one console.
Don't need to play secrets with me. You are just clicking the console and running, there is nothing magical. You can add PH to be sure, but thats all, with that ****ty console you dont even need an engine battery lol
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# 24
09-02-2014, 03:27 PM
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how much they invest to get away? LOL, 1 console slot. Undine jump + evasives and done, u don't even need the singularity jump.
Perhaps he was more speaking to the cost of 6 undine consoles to hit "global" lol
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# 25
09-02-2014, 04:09 PM
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Perhaps he was more speaking to the cost of 6 undine consoles to hit "global" lol
Now that would be silly considering you can't get anything else (that matters) to global on a vaper.
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# 26
09-02-2014, 04:11 PM
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Again, if the escort can't do ANYTHING, something is wrong.
Perhaps you weren't trying/doing something well enough? You've been around long enough to know that just one console isn't going to be everything.

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Don't need to play secrets with me. You are just clicking the console and running, there is nothing magical. You can add PH to be sure, but thats all, with that ****ty console you dont even need an engine battery lol
Go try it then. There are plenty of people out there not having anywhere near the difficulty you seem to be having when dealing with vapers.
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# 27
09-02-2014, 04:42 PM
Hm...same undine console + cpb and watch around where he went. If u really wanna try to do something.
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# 28
09-02-2014, 05:17 PM
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Go try it then. There are plenty of people out there not having anywhere near the difficulty you seem to be having when dealing with vapers.
everyone is complaining about it. Even the guys using it says that is op lol
As long as is in your build, you will try to defend it. Even askray knows that the console is op for pvp lol

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Hm...same undine console + cpb and watch around where he went. If u really wanna try to do something.
I went to test that, and found that the exchange has been clean of those consoles lol. Someone is trying to make profit of it.
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# 29
09-02-2014, 05:46 PM
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everyone is complaining about it. Even the guys using it says that is op lol
As long as is in your build, you will try to defend it. Even askray knows that the console is op for pvp lol
Bottom line is it's not a guarantee at all. Just did a few arenas (pugging) and there were some very close calls because I was debuffed/scanned/nuked etc before hitting it, and I would fly a whopping 5-10km while in it at a snails pace. Had it not been for my teammates and personal experience...well you know what everyone does to vapers when they get caught, (and rightfully so). I understand the frustration of trying to counter it as a tac/escort as I fly one often as well, but that's just not the counter, sorry.

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I went to test that, and found that the exchange has been clean of those consoles lol. Someone is trying to make profit of it.
You'll have to talk to the trading channel guys about that, they have their paws on everything these days. STO EC inflation ftw.
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