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Lt. Commander
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We all know how warp works, you dont move the ship but the space around it.

Taking that into consideration, doesnt that mean that if you are hit by an traffic light while warping its the traffic light that flies into you.

Does that result in a legal twist since technically its the traffic light that moves and not you?

/Discuss.
Lt. Commander
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# 2
02-19-2010, 12:30 PM
The bubble is relatively small, you'd be looking at just a few feet in front of a car, if that.
You'd be in the intersection before the light came to you, thus preserving the law and there being no possible loopholes regarding warp bubbles.
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# 3
02-19-2010, 12:33 PM
Technically in the Universe all Force is an interaction of two objects as per Newton's third law. Saying every action has an equal and opposite reaction is a bit of a misconception.

These objects are actually interacting together, and without both the traffic light and the vehicle exerting identical force (and fault) there would be no change of any kind. :p
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# 4
02-19-2010, 12:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by Ulthron We all know how warp works, you dont move the ship but the space around it. Taking that into consideration, doesnt that mean that if you are hit by an traffic light while warping its the traffic light that flies into you. Does that result in a legal twist since technically its the traffic light that moves and not you? /Discuss.
So, if you walk from the back to the front of your starship that's travelling at Warp 9 are you now travelling at some speed faster than Warp 9? If you take the turbolift, are you going even faster than that? If you fire a torpedo when you're going Warp 9.99999999, does said torpedo now break the Warp 10 barrier?

Relatively speaking, relativity can give you a headache. But in the case you're talking about, I think you have a strong case for a lawsuit... if you could somehow survive hitting a "stationary" object at warp speed.
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# 5
02-19-2010, 12:48 PM
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 Originally Posted by Phillip So, if you walk from the back to the front of your starship that's travelling at Warp 9 are you now travelling at some speed faster than Warp 9? If you take the turbolift, are you going even faster than that? If you fire a torpedo when you're going Warp 9.99999999, does said torpedo now break the Warp 10 barrier? Relatively speaking, relativity can give you a headache. But in the case you're talking about, I think you have a strong case for a lawsuit... if you could somehow survive hitting a "stationary" object at warp speed.
I have a feeling (regarding the torpedo scenario) that you'd have a similar problem to those of WWI dogfighters... they'd fire their guns, drop into a dive, then climb, and get hit with their own bullets.
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# 6
02-19-2010, 12:52 PM
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 Originally Posted by Phillip If you fire a torpedo when you're going Warp 9.99999999, does said torpedo now break the Warp 10 barrier?
Isnt that the same question as "What would happen if you could get a car to travel at the speed of light and lit the car-lights"?

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 Originally Posted by Phillip Relatively speaking, relativity can give you a headache. But in the case you're talking about, I think you have a strong case for a lawsuit... if you could somehow survive hitting a "stationary" object at warp speed.
Great, I gonna sue the space for something.

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 Originally Posted by SaintHazard I have a feeling (regarding the torpedo scenario) that you'd have a similar problem to those of WWI dogfighters... they'd fire their guns, drop into a dive, then climb, and get hit with their own bullets.
Quite a funny scene, so full of fail.
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# 7
02-19-2010, 01:02 PM
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 Originally Posted by Ulthron Isnt that the same question as "What would happen if you could get a car to travel at the speed of light and lit the car-lights"?
Something like that. All relativity is relative, but I tend to think its more simple in reality than some folks would have us believe, but that's a whole nother topic altogether.

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 Originally Posted by Ulthron Great, I gonna sue the space for something.
No, no, sue the Federation, they got bottomless pockets, obviously.
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# 8
02-19-2010, 01:23 PM
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Phillip So, if you walk from the back to the front of your starship that's travelling at Warp 9 are you now travelling at some speed faster than Warp 9? If you take the turbolift, are you going even faster than that? If you fire a torpedo when you're going Warp 9.99999999, does said torpedo now break the Warp 10 barrier? Relatively speaking, relativity can give you a headache. But in the case you're talking about, I think you have a strong case for a lawsuit... if you could somehow survive hitting a "stationary" object at warp speed.
Well Phillip, you have to understand that when the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown.

The 4-equidistant Time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24 hour Days within a single rotation of Earth - equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
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# 9
02-19-2010, 01:27 PM
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 Originally Posted by Adrian-Thorn Well Phillip, you have to understand that when the Sun shines upon Earth, 2 - major Time points are created on opposite sides of Earth - known as Midday and Midnight. Where the 2 major Time forces join, synergy creates 2 new minor Time points we recognize as Sunup and Sundown. The 4-equidistant Time points can be considered as Time Square imprinted upon the circle of Earth. In a single rotation of the Earth sphere, each Time corner point rotates through the other 3-corner Time points, thus creating 16 corners, 96 hours and 4-simultaneous 24 hour Days within a single rotation of Earth - equated to a Higher Order of Life Time Cube.
What the hell does this have to do with anything we're talking about?
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# 10
02-19-2010, 02:51 PM
The warp engine is an Alcubierre drive. It distorts the time/space continuum in front and behind the space ship, meaning the ship rides a wave of distorted space-time. Any time dilation occurs in the distorted space in front or behind the ship whereas the ship is unaffected by relativity. So you'd probably miss that light before it has finished sending electricity to the necessary circuits to activate one light.

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