3. We haven't ever lost members to any other fleets except for a tiny group that apparently was upset that we didn't believe in a "Win at any cost, even if it means being a jerk to your fleet mates" attitude. So it was a case of that kind of person leaving being the best thing for our fleet anyway.
You start a thread complaining about "poaching", and then indicate you have lost no members save for a tiny exception.
Pardon my confusion, but which is it? Why clutter the forums?
[Edit: Modified opening, paragraph 3 (observation 2) and the conclusion to more properly reflect my opinion]
Okay, so I wasn't going to say anything else on this thread, but I changed my mind.
Hagon, I know you say that you're not losing members due to poaching, but the existence of this thread is showing everyone who plays STO (and reads these forums) several things right now:
1) You are incredibly insecure about your ability to hold your fleet together.
You're attacking people who are casually recruiting the people they play with. So, basically, your organization isn't providing enough people for proper teams, so they find themselves in pugs with people or maybe another fleet who *notices* they're in a fleet but for some reason in a pug, and decides to approach them on the subject. My guys find themselves pugging in 1 or 2 from time to time, we're still a pretty small fleet (heh, sometimes its even my guys who are pugged in. I, myself solo PvP often, and find myself as the pug). If they like the guy they pugged in, they approach him casually. Seems the easiest way to avoid this is to either flesh out your numbers some and fill your teams with your own fleet, or don't recruit people you think will leave at the drop of a dime.
2) You've been either a) living under a rock for the past 75 years, or b) born and raised in some socialist society where free trade, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice are expressly prohibited - and therefore have no idea how you are supposed to treat and interact with other people, especially subordinates.
You treat your members like a commodity you've bought off the market, someplace. You act as though you've some right to their loyalty, and you should bear some influence on their decisions. I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but your members have another name they like to go by: Free-thinking sentient beings. They are living breathing people with the ability to decide for themselves what is best for them. if you bear any influence on them at all, it should be because you have earned their respect and adoration as a leader, a friend, and/or whatever. There is no suggested solution for this behavior, as it is purely psychological, though with the information provided, we can't determine the origin of the issue itself. Get out and see more of the world, I guess. Meet and interact with more people *shrug*.
3) You have *NO IDEA* how capitalist society functions, and have obviously never been involved in anything marketing related in your lifetime.
A new fleet is a product. It develops by representation; audible, visible, and physical. Companies recruit out from under one another all the time. They even do it in pretty much the EXACT same manner. It's perfectly GOOD business, and some of your BEST mates come from recruiting people out of bad organizations. Whether you like it or not, it happens everywhere, every day, in EVERY facet of life.
I could go on for quite a while, man, but I think you've got the gist of it. Reiterating that nobody has left your fleet via poaching doesn't really address the fact that you're worried about it enough to have created this thread. You really need to lighten up and roll with the punches, or maybe pass the torch off to someone who understands how to manage a high-turnover organization (which all fleets are, at least initially. It's worth noting that keeping your business high-turnover can be a VERY profitable business model (directly applicable to fleets), but that's for another thread, entirely).
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there are soooooooo many players out there that are un-fleeted.
even when i'm in arenas with people that are fleeted, no one ever says anything about fleet recruitment. maybe it's b/c i'm Sci, don't really do a lot of damage, and am an easy target...
maybe it's b/c i speak my mind and tell it how it is and some people cant read sarcasm or handle negative feedback.
i dont know i dont care. at this point a lot of people are still iffy about this game and the best way to ensure longevity is to promote teaming, get the unfleeted in fleets, get them skilled up w/some real experience.
you want better players and a better community? make them. there are plenty out there waiting that have the potential.
this goes for both sides of the arguement.