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# 21
02-25-2010, 10:04 AM
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# 22
02-25-2010, 10:23 AM
This thread is very funny.

It's like you think the members of your fleet are contractually obligated to continue being a member. They're not.

Or maybe you think of them as a commodity, and someone is stealing them. They're not.


"Limited time offer! Switch to our fleet and we'll give you millions of credits!" LOL


But, I'm not in any fleets, I thought this thread was funny and just had to post.


Side note: Doesn't changing the color of my post makes me so cool? I feel like I'm important now!
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# 23
02-25-2010, 10:43 AM
Ok; I don't follow. You haven't had a problem with poachers but are being pre-emptively *****y?

That's just weird.
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# 24
02-25-2010, 10:56 AM
personally the only time i was "poached" alot was in WoW and the guilds i were currently in halted raiding and i was debating leaving anyway due to more then 1 reason.

but imho as far as poaching, it will happen, why i have no idea as there is nothing along the lines of raids or anything that has lockout timers ( ala wow ). and i dont agree with poaching

but its up to the player to move, not the fleet. if they leave there was another reason other then being invited to another fleet.

but along the same lines, if they left one fleet to join yours, what makes that fleet think the person wont leave them for yet another fleet
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# 25
02-25-2010, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hagon View Post


3. We haven't ever lost members to any other fleets except for a tiny group that apparently was upset that we didn't believe in a "Win at any cost, even if it means being a jerk to your fleet mates" attitude. So it was a case of that kind of person leaving being the best thing for our fleet anyway.
You start a thread complaining about "poaching", and then indicate you have lost no members save for a tiny exception.

Pardon my confusion, but which is it? Why clutter the forums?
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# 26
02-25-2010, 11:33 AM
Wow some seem pretty upset that anyone would question their desperate recruitment methods.

I think that in and of itself speaks volumes as to the quality of these people, and whatever fleets they represent. Well that and the lack of reading comprehension skills shown by many of them.
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# 27
02-25-2010, 11:54 AM
hope you didnt mean me, as im not upset about it, or care for it in STO as it serves no purpose.
i just feel that it is a risk that happens in almost everygame

but ultimatly up to the player on to leave or not

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hagon View Post
Wow some seem pretty upset that anyone would question their desperate recruitment methods.

I think that in and of itself speaks volumes as to the quality of these people, and whatever fleets they represent. Well that and the lack of reading comprehension skills shown by many of them.
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# 28
02-25-2010, 02:54 PM
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Wow some seem pretty upset that anyone would question their desperate recruitment methods.

I think that in and of itself speaks volumes as to the quality of these people, and whatever fleets they represent. Well that and the lack of reading comprehension skills shown by many of them.

I think maybe you created a problem that does not even exist, Personally me and anyone from my house enjoy teaming up with people from any House, and certainly dont "Pouch" members from any House.

Im honored to be part of any group in PvP that will have my sorry ass with them, and to me the diversity is what makes it fun.

If people misunderstood your original post, Maybe you did not make it clear enough?

I look forward to going in to combat as your friend, fighting the same fight as you do you one day.


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# 29 Still WTFing @ this thread...
02-25-2010, 09:04 PM
[Edit: Modified opening, paragraph 3 (observation 2) and the conclusion to more properly reflect my opinion]

Okay, so I wasn't going to say anything else on this thread, but I changed my mind.

Hagon, I know you say that you're not losing members due to poaching, but the existence of this thread is showing everyone who plays STO (and reads these forums) several things right now:

1) You are incredibly insecure about your ability to hold your fleet together.
You're attacking people who are casually recruiting the people they play with. So, basically, your organization isn't providing enough people for proper teams, so they find themselves in pugs with people or maybe another fleet who *notices* they're in a fleet but for some reason in a pug, and decides to approach them on the subject. My guys find themselves pugging in 1 or 2 from time to time, we're still a pretty small fleet (heh, sometimes its even my guys who are pugged in. I, myself solo PvP often, and find myself as the pug). If they like the guy they pugged in, they approach him casually. Seems the easiest way to avoid this is to either flesh out your numbers some and fill your teams with your own fleet, or don't recruit people you think will leave at the drop of a dime.

2) You've been either a) living under a rock for the past 75 years, or b) born and raised in some socialist society where free trade, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice are expressly prohibited - and therefore have no idea how you are supposed to treat and interact with other people, especially subordinates.
You treat your members like a commodity you've bought off the market, someplace. You act as though you've some right to their loyalty, and you should bear some influence on their decisions. I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but your members have another name they like to go by: Free-thinking sentient beings. They are living breathing people with the ability to decide for themselves what is best for them. if you bear any influence on them at all, it should be because you have earned their respect and adoration as a leader, a friend, and/or whatever. There is no suggested solution for this behavior, as it is purely psychological, though with the information provided, we can't determine the origin of the issue itself. Get out and see more of the world, I guess. Meet and interact with more people *shrug*.

3) You have *NO IDEA* how capitalist society functions, and have obviously never been involved in anything marketing related in your lifetime.
A new fleet is a product. It develops by representation; audible, visible, and physical. Companies recruit out from under one another all the time. They even do it in pretty much the EXACT same manner. It's perfectly GOOD business, and some of your BEST mates come from recruiting people out of bad organizations. Whether you like it or not, it happens everywhere, every day, in EVERY facet of life.

I could go on for quite a while, man, but I think you've got the gist of it. Reiterating that nobody has left your fleet via poaching doesn't really address the fact that you're worried about it enough to have created this thread. You really need to lighten up and roll with the punches, or maybe pass the torch off to someone who understands how to manage a high-turnover organization (which all fleets are, at least initially. It's worth noting that keeping your business high-turnover can be a VERY profitable business model (directly applicable to fleets), but that's for another thread, entirely).

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Roll with the punches, man...
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# 30
02-26-2010, 02:09 AM
there are soooooooo many players out there that are un-fleeted.

recruit them.

even when i'm in arenas with people that are fleeted, no one ever says anything about fleet recruitment. maybe it's b/c i'm Sci, don't really do a lot of damage, and am an easy target...
maybe it's b/c i speak my mind and tell it how it is and some people cant read sarcasm or handle negative feedback.

i dont know i dont care. at this point a lot of people are still iffy about this game and the best way to ensure longevity is to promote teaming, get the unfleeted in fleets, get them skilled up w/some real experience.

you want better players and a better community? make them. there are plenty out there waiting that have the potential.
this goes for both sides of the arguement.
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