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# 21
02-24-2010, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lunatec View Post
Then you are using the wrong equipment.

I have been popped out of cloak at 8km.

Your arguments about cloak are lame and show an immature view of PvP. You lose because your teamwork sucks.
Oh now you're saying 8km, be freaking consistent. Yes, sensor scan iii with max sensor consoles give about 8km range at BEST.

Mature? You're the first idiot to call me a whiner. Be civil first.

I lose?? oh wow I have yet to lose a single game in T4 pugs or not.
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# 22
02-24-2010, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bos22
Oh now you're saying 8km, be freaking consistent. Yes, sensor scan iii with max sensor consoles give about 8km range at BEST.

Mature? You're the first idiot to call me a whiner. Be civil first.
I HAVE BEEN POPPED at 8km...I have DETECTED at 10km...again, you refuse to read.

And yes, you are complaining about BC being OP...that constitutes whining.
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# 23
02-24-2010, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Bos22
10km passively prove it. Or STFU. Whine? I am a better player then you ever will be.

Yes, tractor beams, or VM have no counters? REALLY? SBM is the only one without a counter, L2P noobcake.
Way to resort to playground levels of argument there buddy, "I'm better than you so I'm right" and needless insults. I also like the bit where you say be civil right after calling someone an idiot.

Also, explain why exactly it's retarded to use sensor scan to pick up cloaked klingons, when in certain situations it's quite reasonable to expect them to be just outside or inside weapons range waiting. Sure, you lose the debuff aspect of it, but you could theoretically take the initiative away from the klingons, which is what everyone claims cloak is so useful for.
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# 24
02-24-2010, 10:33 AM
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# 25
02-24-2010, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bos22
I still laugh, you cannot comprehend that KvK queues never pop not at T4 or T5. But I'll queue tonight T4 KvK.
Never pop? Umm...do you have the patience of a squirrel on crack with ADD?

I admit, it is slower than FvK...but really man?
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# 26
02-24-2010, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulfnar View Post
Way to resort to playground levels of argument there buddy, "I'm better than you so I'm right" and needless insults.

Also, explain why exactly it's retarded to use sensor scan to pick up cloaked klingons, when in certain situations it's quite reasonable to expect them to be just outside or inside weapons range waiting. Sure, you lose the debuff aspect of it, but you could theoretically take the initiative away from the klingons, which is what everyone claims cloak is so useful for.
Why a klingon would be within 10km anyway? They shouldn't unless they're attacking and the tank will be already positioned closely and starting the attack.

T4 attack run against feds:

Pick target
Get to 10km
The tank (a cruiser) moves closer and open up at 6-7km and everyone else starts to closer in
The tank RSPs, and keeps the team alive
Boom, dead feds.

And that's like all T4. There were about 3-4 matches out of 50 that feds even tried not to shoot me during RSP. I two shot escrots without even my teammates starting open up, first burst of rapid fire then ramming speed, even if the escort got rsp up, he's dead.

Sensor Scan should be only used to debuff, not try to get klingons.
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# 27
02-24-2010, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by lunatec View Post
I HAVE BEEN POPPED at 8km...I have DETECTED at 10km...again, you refuse to read.

And yes, you are complaining about BC being OP...that constitutes whining.
And how did you detect at 10km, really make a screenshot and list the equipment.

I can list my equipment, which consists of 4 x [Console - Science - Multi-Spectro Scanner Mk X] + [Deflector Array Mk X] +32 Sensors.
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# 28
02-24-2010, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bos22
And how did you detect at 10km, really make a screenshot and list the equipment.

I can list my equipment, which consists of 4 x [Console - Science - Multi-Spectro Scanner Mk X] + [Deflector Array Mk X] +32 Sensors.
did you invest in the sensors and sensor array skills?
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# 29
02-24-2010, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Anxiety
The only problem with cloak is that sensor scan is laughably ineffective at looking through it. Though the ridiculously huge debuff it gets by endgame probably makes up for it.

Really, just let any sci ship that just used sensor (and ONLY the sci ship) see and target any cloaked ships within 20 km, and have them appear on the minimap within say, 35 km. That way they can track and knock out of cloak ships, but not without effort and some risk on their behalf.

Then remove all the stupid deathmatch games and replace it with some REAL objectives.




Then add spawn protections, fix the matchmaker, add klingon PvE, give PvP a reason to exist.....yadda yadda.

Interesting idea, however with a HUGE flaw....the science vessel can target and kill the Klingon while the Klingon can not do ANYTHING while cloaked, in order for the Klingon to be able to attack he woulöd have to drop cloak and then be vounrable to attacks from everyone. So your suggestion only gives the science vessels free shots at the cloaked ships. How can you even justify that? without shields the damage a science vessel does to a farily weak BOP would be significant to say the least.

and 35km? then cloak is rendered totally useless and might as well be removed. Thats like saying lets give the BOP a way to shoot when cloaked, as you do recall in the movie "The undiscovered country" where the Klingons actually have ability to shoot while cloaked.

Then again as romulans gets introduced into game I would then also suggest that defiant calls chips would be able to cloak BUT since defiant can not shoot while cloaked that would also benefit the Klingons if they where given the chanse to shoot while cloaked.

Question then arrives at how would it be fair...? well... a skill that could track cloaked vessels and an ability to when found a vessel to be able to shoot a specific torpedo that would then light up the targetted vessel and as such could be shoot down...all according to the movie "The undiscovered country"...

That would be my suggest, but letting science vessels target and shoot at cloaked vessel just like that is not an option, that would render cloaking totally obsolete...
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# 30
02-24-2010, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bos22
Why a klingon would be within 10km anyway? They shouldn't unless they're attacking and the tank will be already positioned closely and starting the attack.

T4 attack run against feds:

Pick target
Get to 10km
The tank (a cruiser) moves closer and open up at 6-7km and everyone else starts to closer in
The tank RSPs, and keeps the team alive
Boom, dead feds.

And that's like all T4. There were about 3-4 matches out of 50 that feds even tried not to shoot me during RSP. I two shot escrots without even my teammates starting open up, first burst of rapid fire then ramming speed, even if the escort got rsp up, he's dead.

Sensor Scan should be only used to debuff, not try to get klingons.
Cannons optimum range is 5k and closer..starting at 10km means you lose precious seconds of rapid fire and expose yourself to a beam barrage that much longer. Starting at 8km gives your better burst damage, depending on which varient you use, and you still get enough time on target for the proc to have a solid 65% chance. Also, by starting your attack run too far out, you limit your escape routes, which, for a disorganzed Fed group is fine, but against a good team, can lead to defeat.

What I am finding is that the Feds aren't falling for the battlecruiser tank trap as much, and the rest of the team waits for the BoP's to pop out and focus on them...aka, me. Since my Captain is stupidly a TAC officer, I am missing the extra heal that I could really use, so I need to make sure my crystal cannon is either close enough for mega heals, or I can escape and recoup.
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