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# 11
02-27-2010, 12:56 PM
Really now. Jam Sensors is how they're disappearing, a simple science team takes care of the problem.

B-cloaking is largely useless from T2 onward (surprise, that's when it's introduced). At least it is when Feds know how to play. On my fed alt I personally lead the anti-cloaking charge. How it happens: Enemy almost dead, they cloak and your torps are on CD. You follow them, activate sensor scan and see them. You hit them with everything you have, if Sensor scan starts to fade (or you have a team with you and just want to FF them) hit CPB and disable their cloak for 15+ seconds.
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# 12
02-27-2010, 01:22 PM
Even if a BoP survives after BC you cant do any repairs on hull , so have to wait for out of combat repairs , considering how small the crew is that can take time and after you do drop cloak your sheilds will be pretty much at the same lvl as when you cloaked , good chance thats going to be low as you cant use sheild repairs whilst cloaked either

So unless you want to fly back in with damages you have to wait for timers and low shields you are going to be little threat for a while or easily picked off because of the 20 second cooldown , if the opposition know what they are doing
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# 13
02-27-2010, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike111
To rephrase the OP.......

I refuse to learn how to play the game so if I can get enough FED QQers to follow me maybe Cryptic will nerf the Klingons again.

You can do this. Join the Klingons. If you have never played a Klingon you have no clue just how fragile BOP's are compared to your tanked out FED ships.

We pvp all the time. We understand the capabilities of our ships and skills. We have learned to adapt and overcome.

Don't you FED QQers find it odd that there are not continuous post from the Klinks about your ships?

If you spent as much time playing and learning the game as you do whining you might actually turn into a decent player.
actually I never thought of it like that, and I do have a klingon character. LT6. BoP is insanely fragile, and you can only do damage while facing your target. the aft cannon is practically useless unless your target has 0 shields.

So now that I think about it, the BoP being able to cloak in combat is pretty understandable....
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# 14
02-27-2010, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Amido
Even if a BoP survives after BC you cant do any repairs on hull , so have to wait for out of combat repairs , considering how small the crew is that can take time and after you do drop cloak your sheilds will be pretty much at the same lvl as when you cloaked , good chance thats going to be low as you cant use sheild repairs whilst cloaked either

So unless you want to fly back in with damages you have to wait for timers and low shields you are going to be little threat for a while or easily picked off because of the 20 second cooldown , if the opposition know what they are doing
Engineering team is awesome. Do the klingons not have this skill available? I haven't leveled up that high yet...
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# 15
02-27-2010, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomerizer
Engineering team is awesome. Do the klingons not have this skill available? I haven't leveled up that high yet...
yes klingons do have it but unless you activate before cloaking and its not on a cooldown because you used science team in canot be used while in cloak, the only abilities i have seen that can be used are powers like HYT or attack plans , anything that directly affects the ship or target i dont think can be used in cloak
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# 16
02-27-2010, 06:14 PM
Well, being cloaked is still an advantage, but I'd just as soon die than wait out the healing, as there are no penalties for death (the huge topic of the past couple days). I'd just as soon die, get a fresh ship, crew, and cool-downs and jump back in the fight.

Thats what makes the PvP fun. And like I said, now that I think about it, cloaking in combat is about the only thing that balances the scores out.
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# 17
02-27-2010, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomerizer
Engineering team is awesome. Do the klingons not have this skill available? I haven't leveled up that high yet...
Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes its available, but it becomes disabled when you cloak. If I have time to use it before I cloak, then usually I have time to kill whatever I'm shooting at, and at least make my death an even draw.

I've used combat cloaking a few times to my advantage, but it kind of sucks when you're at 75% hull, combat cloak, and find yourself at 5% hull, when you could have just stayed decloaked and ended up at 15% hull.

Makes you wonder why feds seem to think this is an I win button? Seriously, I've faced some really good feds, though they are few and far between, and those feds are HOPING I battle cloak.
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# 18
02-27-2010, 10:09 PM
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Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes its available, but it becomes disabled when you cloak. If I have time to use it before I cloak, then usually I have time to kill whatever I'm shooting at, and at least make my death an even draw.

I've used combat cloaking a few times to my advantage, but it kind of sucks when you're at 75% hull, combat cloak, and find yourself at 5% hull, when you could have just stayed decloaked and ended up at 15% hull.

Makes you wonder why feds seem to think this is an I win button? Seriously, I've faced some really good feds, though they are few and far between, and those feds are HOPING I battle cloak.
its not so much an iWin button. It's more of a **** move for someone just wanting to wrack up damage points and kills. When you're at such a low hull integrity percentage, why bother trying to survive? You'd get into the fight a hell of a lot faster if you just died. Plus, it doesn't hurt your bravery points, or honor points. whatever klingons get in PvP. I tried pvp once as a klingon lt5. BoP's only really have forward firing weapons. unfair advantage to the feds. But, klingons have cloak and can approach an enemy together (popular tactic) and 'zerg' enemies one by one or... by small groups, as fed players are (surprisingly) horrible at team work.
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# 19
02-28-2010, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SheepishOne View Post
Really now. Jam Sensors is how they're disappearing, a simple science team takes care of the problem.
That explains it for the star cruiser but not for the battlecruiser. There was me, another star cruiser and a DSSV shooting at it at 4k, I had used beam target engines III on it. We had it at 40% hull no shields, then it just disappeared and reappeared later at 23k with full shields. From my view the others stopped shooting at it too when it "disappeared". Unless if it's some sort of klingon magic that allows you to use multiple jam sensors without any global cooldown - well.
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# 20
02-28-2010, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomerizer
its not so much an iWin button. It's more of a **** move for someone just wanting to wrack up damage points and kills. When you're at such a low hull integrity percentage, why bother trying to survive? You'd get into the fight a hell of a lot faster if you just died. Plus, it doesn't hurt your bravery points, or honor points. whatever klingons get in PvP. I tried pvp once as a klingon lt5. BoP's only really have forward firing weapons. unfair advantage to the feds. But, klingons have cloak and can approach an enemy together (popular tactic) and 'zerg' enemies one by one or... by small groups, as fed players are (surprisingly) horrible at team work.
I get less damage points and kills because i have to sit out of combat for a while to get hull back up, respawning would get me into the action quicker

Why bother trying to survive? Sense of achievment that i got away , this time, so one less kill for the feds

Its honour points and if it does , it is not to any great percentage that i have seen

At Lt5 you have not even got BC if remeber corectly so you would not even had a chance to use it, plus it been generaly said T1 Klingons are overpowered compared to the feds its not until later that the play field starts to become more balanced especialy when they get powers to decloak etc

As for forward firing weapons , what do you think escorts use on the fed side?

Using team work on either side is a great advantage , if one side does and the other not then its usually a massaca

birds of Prey are the only ones that use battle cloak , the ship is designed to get in , do as much damage as possible then get out and let the follow up ships finish the rest off , they are not tanks , they are first strike and harrasment

The Klingon saying 'Its a good day to die' does not include suicide
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