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# 71
03-03-2010, 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlagueStarter
your a joke. THIS IS NOT ABOUT KLINGONS BEING ABLE TO CLOAK OR NOT. this is more about the feds EXTREMELY limited abilities. thier is precedent in star trek canon that the feds had a fair amount of ways to detect cloaked ships. romulans will haev to be balanced very well considering thier cloak in the show is superior to the klingons. And just because something is one way in the show doesnt mean it has to stay that way in the game. Wheres teh klinks weak rear shield??? just today a pvp game started out 5 feds vs 4 klinks. not to terribly unfair especially since we had a noob escort who liked to run off on his own regularly. the klinks pounce on him and then return to there cloak completely dodging the rest of the team. 1 person down isnt to big of a deal in that siutation. but the fact of the matter being we wasted like 7-8 minutes just waiting for the first big engagement. that is my major issue. We cant hunt you down. (maybe to a very limited extent we can, but it is exactly that LIMITED)
Sounds like you had a poor team, which has nothing to do with cloak.
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# 72
03-03-2010, 07:45 AM
Look, I have played this since open beta and the one thing that I can say is this:

The team that cross-heals and supports each other invariably wins. The team that lacks adequate team support BO skills or plays as individuals, loses.

From my experience, the Klingons do a much better job supporting each other than the federation players.

This makes all the difference.
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# 73
03-03-2010, 07:53 AM
Poor team.... Thats pretty much the definition of PVP for feds earlier in the game. (t3 and below) you guys can cloak sit there and talk strat pick a target and everything. check to see if its really a engineer in taht cruiser or is it a tact w/e. We dont get that chance. We have to just react when yall attack. Thats it. If that sounds like a good time to you come join the fed side and delete your klink and dont play klinks for a few months. see how you feel then with the very limited abilities we have to decloak you. Im not saying give me a button to press and all ships decloak. BUT FEDS NEED TO BE ABLE TO HUNT w/o having a f*cking organised fleet to do it. its ridiculous.

Some times the klingons are just baddies are underestimate the fire power of the feds. But you place 2-3 pretty godo klinks on a team with 2-3 rands and go against a fed team of teh same caliber and the klinks will know after teh first engagement (assuming they got stomp) who to focus down first the next time. Thier needs to be either enchanced cloak detection for feds and/or (no more science in a bop using lt.comm sci skills) MORE DIVERSITY amongst klink ships in earlier tiers. i dont care buff the klinks hulls/shields (altho stick to teh canon if they get to use the cloak like they do currently with weak rear/side shields). We have to wait for you to attack then pray we can heal your target enough to stomp your team. thats the definition of pvp for the feds. Personalyl as soon as my free 30 days are up im going to wait for afew months checking the updates etc... Something needs to happen to change this because currently i wont stay entertained with this game longer than 2-3 months TOPS.

Edit: (typos) What i am saying about klingon ships is they need to make them similar to feds. now b4 you rage read more.
bop needs to be the escort.
battlecruisers can be sci and eng or come up with a way to have science ships earlier.
i think this would go a long way to helping make it more balanced for the people who ARENT in fleets. Who DONT play with organised teams on a daily basis. For now i think we need to "fix" the game towards the majority. And currently the majority of feds just plain suck. WAY to many tact. Not enough science. Thiers a fair amount of engineers.

this needs to happen so when you guys come out of cloak we know who the dpsers are. And if the klinks need some shield buffs/hull buffs then so be it. But just like with feds. escorts shouldnt expect to live longer than maybe 45 seconds atm w/o good support. (and thats being generous)
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# 74
03-03-2010, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PlagueStarter
your a joke. THIS IS NOT ABOUT KLINGONS BEING ABLE TO CLOAK OR NOT. this is more about the feds EXTREMELY limited abilities. thier is precedent in star trek canon that the feds had a fair amount of ways to detect cloaked ships. romulans will haev to be balanced very well considering thier cloak in the show is superior to the klingons. And just because something is one way in the show doesnt mean it has to stay that way in the game. Wheres teh klinks weak rear shield??? just today a pvp game started out 5 feds vs 4 klinks. not to terribly unfair especially since we had a noob escort who liked to run off on his own regularly. the klinks pounce on him and then return to there cloak completely dodging the rest of the team. 1 person down isnt to big of a deal in that siutation. but the fact of the matter being we wasted like 7-8 minutes just waiting for the first big engagement. that is my major issue. We cant hunt you down. (maybe to a very limited extent we can, but it is exactly that LIMITED)
You can hunt us down you are too lazy to do so. You failed to engage the enemy when they attacked the other ship. When cloaked we have no shields, that means a load of torps and we are done.

There are ways in game to increase your abilities to see cloaked ships. These have been detailed in many posts.

Most of the players like you prefer to QQ and whine in the forums instead of READING them and learning from them. You also seem to be incredibly set in your ship configs and they way you want combat to be conducted. War does not work that way.

I just got out of a border skirmish where the Feds were actually winning for a while. Then we got together and pawned them and most apparently left from what one of the remaining Feds said. This is why you lose. You have no heart, you don't learn from defeats, you just leave and then come here and QQ. I have learned more from my defeats than my victories ten fold.

There is a very different mindset between most KDF and FED players.
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# 75
03-03-2010, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike111
You can hunt us down you are too lazy to do so. You failed to engage the enemy when they attacked the other ship. When cloaked we have no shields, that means a load of torps and we are done.

There are ways in game to increase your abilities to see cloaked ships. These have been detailed in many posts.

Most of the players like you prefer to QQ and whine in the forums instead of READING them and learning from them. You also seem to be incredibly set in your ship configs and they way you want combat to be conducted. War does not work that way.

I just got out of a border skirmish where the Feds were actually winning for a while. Then we got together and pawned them and most apparently left from what one of the remaining Feds said. This is why you lose. You have no heart, you don't learn from defeats, you just leave and then come here and QQ. I have learned more from my defeats than my victories ten fold.

There is a very different mindset between most KDF and FED players.
Ok Mr. KickAss. How can we hunt? Spell it out. how much teamwork will it take. witha bunch of randoms is it possible? im saying cryptic messed up the balance and tried to fix it by nerfing klinks shields/hulls back to the stoneage b4 game even hit cb. Cmon if its SOOOOOO easy for teh feds. How do we do it? w/o organiztion above and beyond your avg klink players.

And tbh with the way the game currently is in T4 i dont even pvp unless i have to. I'm currently looking for the right fleet for me but No telling if/when ill find one that will make me want to pay to play with NO end game content for either side other than pvp. Whether its coming or not I have learned not to trust what devs say. Proof or it didnt/doesnt happen is my stand towards devs.
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# 76
03-03-2010, 08:01 AM
I have made it my policy to cloak as little as possible and to do the klingon race proud by charging the enemy, despite the numbers. I have tanked my cruiser pretty well and she will usually hold her own against 3 or more federation vessels.

In my experience, cloaking isnt necessary, having some courage *is*. If someone leads the charge, then quite often the so called "Fedball" can be smashed up just like any other formation. This is largely because Fed players obcessively shoot at me, thinking that if they all gang up, i will surely die. They are wasting their shots.

I have yet to see a decent fed team that learns to ignore tanking players and to go for vulnerable targets with greater firepower than i have.

Idensha - Captain of the IKS Orion Princess
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# 77
03-03-2010, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by lunatec View Post
The simple fact is that there is nothing wrong with Cloak or Battle Cloak.
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I would also like to see sensor scan lose the debuff and shorten the cooldown to 30 sec. Make sensor scan do what the name says.

Subnuc would then become the debuff and remove that horrid set everything on cooldown for ever skill.
I heartily disagree with you on Cloak

However I REALLY like your two ideas about Sensor Scan 15 seconds out of 30 would be great, make it ONLY do that. and Yes, I hate Subnuc and I am a Sci captain. it's too UN-Fun. kinda like VM
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# 78
03-03-2010, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PlagueStarter
Ok Mr. KickAss. How can we hunt? Spell it out. how much teamwork will it take. witha bunch of randoms is it possible? im saying cryptic messed up the balance and tried to fix it by nerfing klinks shields/hulls back to the stoneage b4 game even hit cb. Cmon if its SOOOOOO easy for teh feds. How do we do it? w/o organiztion above and beyond your avg klink players.

And tbh with the way the game currently is in T4 i dont even pvp unless i have to. I'm currently looking for the right fleet for me but No telling if/when ill find one that will make me want to pay to play with NO end game content for either side other than pvp. Whether its coming or not I have learned not to trust what devs say. Proof or it didnt/doesnt happen is my stand towards devs.
At some point you need to read the forums on your own. There were posts just the other day about a Fed that was able to hunt down Klinks. There have been posts about increasing the scan distance where people were seeing cloaked ships at 11m. I guess you just feel entitled to win because you bought the game. You have already lost before you enter the match with your attitude.

Did Paramount release their next ST movie Whnerations or something?
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# 79
03-03-2010, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gollywog
Yawn,tell you what feds remove the cloak from klingons ,make them use a t1 bop at t5 and remove all our weopons.Maybe at this point you lot will stop moaning ffs.
Do you really think so? I don't.
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# 80
03-03-2010, 08:58 AM
Spawn Camping is a game problem unrelated to Cloaking.

Spawn camping needs to be fixed but it doesn't sound like Cryptic fixed it in other games.

It happens on both sides.

Do you really think it would matter if the 5 ships were cloaked or decloaked at your spawn. You are dead either way in a 5 v 1 , 2, 3 and probably 4 gank.

That is not a function of cloak.
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