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The "Starship Sensors" skill lists improving the Jam Sensors ability as an example of something it affects. The "Starship Sensor Array" does not list Jam Sensors as an example; however, learning all nine ranks does unlock Jam Sensors III. So I wonder if the Starship Sensor Array skill also affects Jam Sensors, too.

The reason I ask is because I've been looking for a science console to boost Jam Sensors. I haven't found one that says it improves Starship Sensors, but I have found one (Console - Science - Multi-Spectro Scanner) that improves Starship Sensor Array. So, I'm guessing that if Starship Sensor Array does also improve the Jam Sensors ability, then this console will help it, too.

The other science console I have on my fleet escort is a biofunction monitor. If anyone has any better ideas on how to fill the two science console slots, I'd love to hear it, especially if you tell me WHY your way is better.
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# 2
03-01-2010, 04:30 AM
According to Hotot's Science Space Skills Guide, Sensor Arrays do increase Jam Sensors. However, I have no idea where Hotot got that information, nor have I tested it myself.

Remember, however, that the "Examples Include:" list are probably not complete. I hope Cryptic does a review of these soon.
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# 3
03-01-2010, 11:26 AM
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Remember, however, that the "Examples Include:" list are probably not complete. I hope Cryptic does a review of these soon.
Exactly. The wording of "Examples include" always caused me to suspect that the list was not all-inclusive, and I, too, am hoping for a more detailed explanation. We need to know not only every ability a particular skill affects, but how the ability is affected. Does the skill increase the range of the ability? Make it more powerful? Make it use less energy? Decrease its cooldown? These are the things we need to know, for every ability a skill affects.
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# 4
03-01-2010, 11:29 AM
The +sensor array consoles do indeed improve jam sensors.
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# 5
03-01-2010, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JJR512 View Post
The "Starship Sensors" skill lists improving the Jam Sensors ability as an example of something it affects. The "Starship Sensor Array" does not list Jam Sensors as an example; however, learning all nine ranks does unlock Jam Sensors III. So I wonder if the Starship Sensor Array skill also affects Jam Sensors, too.

The reason I ask is because I've been looking for a science console to boost Jam Sensors. I haven't found one that says it improves Starship Sensors, but I have found one (Console - Science - Multi-Spectro Scanner) that improves Starship Sensor Array. So, I'm guessing that if Starship Sensor Array does also improve the Jam Sensors ability, then this console will help it, too.

The other science console I have on my fleet escort is a biofunction monitor. If anyone has any better ideas on how to fill the two science console slots, I'd love to hear it, especially if you tell me WHY your way is better.
If you press P to open your abilities window, click on the ability and look at the description, it'll list which skills (if any) affect the ability*.

Jam Targeting Sensors (the ability that prevents a single target from shooting at you for a duration) is affected by Starship Operations Training, Starship Sensors and Starship Sensor Array, so any console (or other item or affect) that gives bonuses to any of those skills will improve Jam Targeting Sensors (in the case of that ability, increasing the duration of the 'placate' effect).


* (There are a couple of exceptions to this, but generally the ability descriptions are pretty accurate.)
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# 6
03-01-2010, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadB
If you press P to open your abilities window, click on the ability and look at the description, it'll list which skills (if any) affect the ability*.

Jam Targeting Sensors (the ability that prevents a single target from shooting at you for a duration) is affected by Starship Operations Training, Starship Sensors and Starship Sensor Array, so any console (or other item or affect) that gives bonuses to any of those skills will improve Jam Targeting Sensors (in the case of that ability, increasing the duration of the 'placate' effect).


* (There are a couple of exceptions to this, but generally the ability descriptions are pretty accurate.)
BagBadB, thank you for not only answering my question, but for teaching me, too. Now, if I ever have a similar question in the future about another ability and skill, I will know how to figure it out for myself. Thanks!
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# 7
03-01-2010, 06:15 PM
why would you botther to improve Jam sensors you can't be more invisible and the duration will never be longer than the 1 second before someone presses Science team and resumes shooting you.

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# 8
03-01-2010, 09:08 PM
Why? Because I don't really have any other science abilities worth buffing. I'm a tactical officer on an escort. And it does seem to work, at least sometimes, and sometimes is better than nothing. I don't even know if most of the enemies I've been fighting have a science team ability, anyway. How can you tell what abilities a PvE enemy has, anyway?
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# 9
03-01-2010, 09:39 PM
OK, hopefully, this will be the last question about buffing Jam Targeting Sensors.

As we've learned, this ability is buffed by both the Starship Sensors and the Starship Sensor Array skills. Now, consider the item Tachyon Deflector Array Mk X, the very rare item sold by one of the ships near the USS Victory inside the transwarp conduit, for 52 Marks of Exploration. This item has +38 Sensors and +32 Sensor Array. If I equip this one item on my ship, would I be effectively double-buffing Jam Sensors?
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# 10
03-02-2010, 12:47 AM
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OK, hopefully, this will be the last question about buffing Jam Targeting Sensors.

As we've learned, this ability is buffed by both the Starship Sensors and the Starship Sensor Array skills. Now, consider the item Tachyon Deflector Array Mk X, the very rare item sold by one of the ships near the USS Victory inside the transwarp conduit, for 52 Marks of Exploration. This item has +38 Sensors and +32 Sensor Array. If I equip this one item on my ship, would I be effectively double-buffing Jam Sensors?
Yup.

You might find the Character Basics and Skills: The Numbers links in my sig to be helpful, by the way - I forgot to mention them before.
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