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# 21
03-06-2010, 05:35 AM
I own a couple of Katanas. I used to do Kendo until I screwed up my elbow.

I miss hitting thing with sticks.
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# 22
03-06-2010, 05:40 AM
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Your history book is wrong then.
Of course it's wrong, it was cited from wikipedia. For all I know I created that page myself. Hang on to that thought... (edit's whatever you may or may not think of using as a reference next)
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# 23
03-06-2010, 05:47 AM
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How, exactly, does it look unbalanced? I'm not sure you even know what you mean. It's held like a quarterstaff and doesn't exactly throw out weight on long lever points does it.



You can hold your own with any weapon by giving ground. Considering this response, I'm closer to patting you on the head and smiling kindly than anything else, since having to constantly fall backwards or attempt to move around an opponent who can defend so easily as they can with a bat'leth isn't a winning proposition. For starters, as soon as the battlefield gets constricted, you get f***ed, and it takes great concentration and skill to maintain such a strategy. With a katana the situation gets worse; it is totally devoid of versatility. It's basically a Japanese scimitar, slashing on a single edge is all you've got, and trying to stab someone with it isn't all you'd hoped it would be.

The simple fact is that your response boils down to, "chances are, you'll be a far, far better combatant", which renders the idea meaningless and isn't anything close to the kind of thing you'll have wanted to hear just before a Klingon turns aside your sword and stabs you in the chest with one movement. A good swordsman has good footwork....and indea which goes both ways, you can be closed down more easily than you can run.



Like I said, against a single sword, yes it is effective, and against a single sword, yes it does have options. And I even mentioned that personally I don't rate its chances so highly against other more solid weapons, with my personal choice in pretty much every situation being a poleaxe.

You have no idea how well designed the bat'leth really is thematically, and it does work. It sits neatly in its own niche with advantages and disadvantages, but people decrying it tend to have payed too much attention to the screen portrayals instead of giving it a fair assessment out of some arrogant sense that we've already thought of everything. The martial artist who designed it was quite inspired with this thing, he created something totally unique yet actually functional in a way that hasn't ever been considered before, while also being entirely characterful for Klingons, since it's a weapon that demands exactly what a Klingon will give; bold, uncompromising aggression.

Last note; the bat'leth doesn't make too much sense outside of its 'modern' Trek setting. It claims these are ancient weapons, which must mean that Klingons never used full harness to protect themselves. It would be as utterly useless as a katana (and most other swords) against such armour, but unlike the Japanese the Klingons don't have the excuse of only having access to small amounts of the worst iron on the face of the planet. This made metal armours impossible for the Japanese and ended up placing so much emphasis on their sword, which was so monumentally expensive and difficult to make merely to be the same quality as its contemporaries, that they came to revere it ritually just to justify the damn thing. The Klingons have no excuse, which leads one to consider the idea that their ancient armies would have gotten a mighty shock if transplanted onto Earth, where they would promptly be massacred with arrows and heavy infantry.....
Dude, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I've read blogs and posts from plenty of people who have actually used Bat'leths in Star Trek themed tournaments, and they have all said that it is a very poorly designed weapon. I wouldn't doubt that somebody who trained with it could become pretty good, but that goes for just about anything. You could be really good at fighting with a hockey stick, but that wouldn't make it a superior weapon. Just because it looks good to you doesn't mean that it is. you can't go around being as aggressive as that unless you're going to back your stuff up.

Further, the katana is universally recognized as a fine weapon inside of it's niche. Obviously, polearms in formations are superior weapons in all out warfare, but as swords go, the traditional katana is one of the best.
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# 24
03-06-2010, 05:54 AM
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(( The only swords in the shows were rapiers, broadswords, and fencing foils--sans the new movie which isn't considered canon as far as I remember. It might have been added as canon, I dunno.
Not true, the Samurai in the TOS ep where they visited the pleaser planet had a Katana.
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# 25
03-06-2010, 05:55 AM
*eats popcorn as the girls here fight it out with their handbags*
Girly men men.
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# 26
03-06-2010, 05:56 AM
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*eats popcorn as the girls here fight it out with their handbags*
Girly men men.
May I has some? Paweeze?
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# 27
03-06-2010, 06:06 AM
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*eats popcorn as the girls here fight it out with their handbags*
Girly men men.
We're fighting about weapons. That makes it okay :p
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# 28
03-06-2010, 06:16 AM
Eh, it's like looking at the cool klingon daggers that have the pop-out blades where the hilt meets the forte of the blade.

Looks cool as all get-out, but kinda silly if one were to actually try to use it. Bat'leths look very interesting, and I'm sure much thought went into the design, but it was designed for flashy stage combat where big movement and dramatic flourishes make fights watchable. Neat, but not comparable at all. The first time someone did that clever "Spin around, swirl the bat'leth in a flashy circle change" thing, they'd be toast.

Remember, there are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

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# 29
03-06-2010, 06:18 AM
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Remember, there are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

That's it exactly. I could kill somebody with a Bat'leth. I could also kill somebody with my bare hands. That doesn't make my hands better weapons than, say, a shotgun. But it does make me a dangerous person who would be more useful than a dude who was afraid to fire a shotgun.
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# 30
03-06-2010, 06:22 AM
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Eh, it's like looking at the cool klingon daggers that have the pop-out blades where the hilt meets the forte of the blade.

Looks cool as all get-out, but kinda silly if one were to actually try to use it. Bat'leths look very interesting, and I'm sure much thought went into the design, but it was designed for flashy stage combat where big movement and dramatic flourishes make fights watchable. Neat, but not comparable at all. The first time someone did that clever "Spin around, swirl the bat'leth in a flashy circle change" thing, they'd be toast.

Remember, there are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

Exactly. The bat'leth looks cool and all, but it's really just a fancy movie prop. It's designed to be showy, flashy and theatrical, three things that serve as a liability, more than anything, in an actual battle.

And that's my last post in this thread. Too much arrogant condescension coming from certain people here, and there's already enough of that attitude on the other forums. No need to bring it here.
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