I didn't realize how silly these things were. I figured Sure, good damage from the Torps, but then I started to see something else. Something along the lines of SNB + VM... They Disable you.. The Torps is only 1-2 seconds tops.. The Mines how ever.. Are about 5+ seconds! That's almost as bad as being SNB + VM! You can't click ANY button while affected by that! Sure they are Mines. Easy to see. But if your on some one's butt and they drop one of those, then hit you with VM, and then SNB you, your done. Dead in the water. And chances are you would have already been fighting for a good few minutes so your defenses might be down! They really need to figure how they want their game to be played PVP wise. I mean no one likes to be totally locked down with NO defense. And once you get hit by these, you mine as well go afk, get a drink, and come back to respawn.