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# 11
03-12-2010, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Merel
I'd like to see stats about Win/loss in PVP. I'm pretty sure Feds lose 75%. And I feel it's not only about players skills.
There is no way to extrapolate accurate results.
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# 12
03-12-2010, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalnar
There is no way to extrapolate accurate results.
Which is very convenient. No ?
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# 13
03-12-2010, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Merel
Which is very convenient. No ?
Depends, i still think, that if we would filter out the obvious (ab)uses of certain abilties, the result would still shown that the average klingon is better than the average fed..thus on average the klingons are more skilled. Of course the larger the statistical sample, the greater possibility of some unpredictable result..like horrible klingons and very skilled feds...

But you may argue it as much as you want, but the average fed, who was leveling via pve mainly, is less skilled in pvp as average klingon, who was leveling mainly via pvp. Now we can argue, that most pvp matches arent balanced, and the klingons wont improve with turkey shotting. But overall their hmmmm, lets call it tactical awareness, is better.
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# 14
03-12-2010, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalnar
Depends, i still think, that if we would filter out the obvious (ab)uses of certain abilties, the result would still shown that the average klingon is better than the average fed..thus on average the klingons are more skilled. Of course the larger the statistical sample, the greater possibility of some unpredictable result..like horrible klingons and very skilled feds...

But you may argue it as much as you want, but the average fed, who was leveling via pve mainly, is less skilled in pvp as average klingon, who was leveling mainly via pvp. Now we can argue, that most pvp matches arent balanced, and the klingons wont improve with turkey shotting. But overall their hmmmm, lets call it tactical awareness, is better.
IF that were true, then the "more skilled" Klingon surely doesn't NEED uber stealth? I mean, if the player skills are that much better, then surely he could get the same results by not using ONE particular ability; Cloak.

/sarcasm off

LOLZ
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# 15
03-12-2010, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalnar
There is no way to extrapolate accurate results.
Oh? you mean the dev's don't record anything to help them in changing the balance of the game?

or, OH! you mean this is only arcade level space combat?

or OH! you mean this is a pay to play Beta version of the game?
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# 16
03-12-2010, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tenikis View Post
1) VM is fine now apart from the immunity does not work. SNB will be fixed in an upcoming patch.

2) There are several counters to cloak. L2P

3) who knows...

4) L2P
Great argument there, I LOVE the way you discuss things in detail and show facts to prove your points. Solid rebuttal, you leave no way for anyone to prove you wrong.

/sarcasm off

oh, are you a Klingon player?
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# 17
03-12-2010, 05:00 AM
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Oh? you mean the dev's don't record anything to help them in changing the balance of the game?

or, OH! you mean this is only arcade level space combat?

or OH! you mean this is a pay to play Beta version of the game?
Skill factor is not a mathematical value. Go back to school As a Fed im embarrased by some fellow starfleet captains
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# 18
03-12-2010, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Uth
2) Like what? Ranges are short and arena space is big. Cloak is infinite. The greatest problem is that Feds have no reasonable way of finding a cloaked kling ship in all the space provided in an arena zone. I want cat and mouse, not sit and wait.

3) the queue system is BY FAR my #1 complaint with STO. It MUST be fixed to start allowing for some semblance of balance in the PvP aspect of the game.

4) I think so far I agree... L2P or re-roll tactical/escort if you don't understand the strengths of cruiser.
2) I agree, I play a Sci captain in a Sci ship and passive cloak detection does not exist in this game. The ONLY cloak detection is the Sensor Scan ability of Science captains. that works for 15 seconds out of 90. Any BO ability is only useful AFTER you are attacked by the Klingons. So, to throw their own words back at the L2P 'ers.... L2P cloak detection.

3) Agreed, the queue system shows me two important things: this game is still in Beta testing, as I think GUILD WARS had this "issue" solved before it released; and Cryptic has neither the staff nor the inclination to do much for PvP beyond a few instances and the "queue system". You know, actually calling it a system is insulting to every programmer that has every tried to build one. I apologize to all those programmers. (that Don't work for Cryptic)

4) I don't play a cruiser, but to me it seems that it's main advantage is to present one shield side to the enemy for the entire time it takes a BOP to blast it (the cruiser) to smithereens.
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# 19
03-12-2010, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Harleqwin View Post
Great argument there, I LOVE the way you discuss things in detail and show facts to prove your points. Solid rebuttal, you leave no way for anyone to prove you wrong.

/sarcasm off

oh, are you a Klingon player?
You say it in a tone and grammer that suggests I give a crap? And what Dalnar said.

The people that PvP regular know what is imba in STO and what isnt. We get random QQ threads like this one pop up now and again clearly by people that all is left for them to do is L2P. Everyone else is getting along just dandy.
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# 20
03-12-2010, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dalnar
Skill factor is not a mathematical value. Go back to school As a Fed im embarrased by some fellow starfleet captains
recording something so SIMPLE as number of matches won and number of matches lost, by whom.

that is QUITE within the realm of database programming.

so, ummm, what was it you said? oh,

Go back to school.
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