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# 21
03-17-2010, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skapek-Skocap View Post
Its thought that you've had enough PvE with your Federation Character, and this is the opposite, centered around PvP and Killing.
The problem that I have with that is what we currently have now is not a pve faction and a pvp faction. We have a fully fleshed out faction that has access to all areas of the game, including Fed vs. Fed pvp with the new update. The other faction is only monster play. The current pvp set up does very little to attract that "hardcore" base, as most of them, I would imagine, want some kind of persistent pvp. I don't think I've even seen a "hardcore pvper" proclaim their love for only instanced pvp. If Cryptic was really serious about making the Klingons the pvp faction then they need to put in persistent pvp zones, where pvp happens without a queue and a loading screen into a closed off battleground.

The only thing that I see is that Cryptic panicked when February was getting near and they had no content for the Klingons. So the easiest thing to do, without a release delay, was label them as the pvp faction and put together a few battlegrounds.
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# 22 Ha! Just what i was thinking!
03-17-2010, 04:13 PM
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While I can empathize with your position that the KDF is getting second-rate treatment, I find the defeatist attitude of the vocal minority to be rather melodramatic. Did you really sign up to be a Klingon because you wanted pretty faces and extra races? Because you expected more to the "PvP-centric faction" than PvP?

From where I stand, the Klingon empire is delivering the content I want just fine. Short PvP queues, adequate character advancement, and access to major endgame content as is it released (currently STFs). I don't harbor any delusions that a company in triage mode ISN'T going to do what benefits the most players first. Do you have some odd sense of entitlement that leads you to believe otherwise?

PvP is the soul of the Klingon game. That Klingons receive equal access to major new PvE content (STFs at release) is simply a welcome bonus. As long as the PvP experience itself gets attention and upgrades in due time, and Klingon access to it remains adequate, I believe I will continue to find it sufficient. If it does not, I will adapt or depart.

When it comes down to it, you have the same options. If you really feel so compelled to make a big preachy deal of the issue, then at least have some concrete demands. What IS it that you want, specifically, that Cryptic can provide in a resource-efficient manner? If it is Klingon-specific, how would you justify the allocation of writers, designers, and coders to a project that only perhaps 15% of the playerbase will ever see?

Either way, enough with the sensationalism and whining. I've seen perfectly decent posts from several of you, so I know you're capable of making them. This pitiful cry for attention, however, is not one of them.
^^ what this dood said.Go ahead surrender if you want.I wont be though.
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# 23
03-17-2010, 04:41 PM
Klingons do not surrender.
I shall continue to play Klingons because i love killing Starfleet scum in PvP!
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# 24
03-17-2010, 05:25 PM
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The problem that I have with that is what we currently have now is not a pve faction and a pvp faction. We have a fully fleshed out faction that has access to all areas of the game, including Fed vs. Fed pvp with the new update. The other faction is only monster play. The current pvp set up does very little to attract that "hardcore" base, as most of them, I would imagine, want some kind of persistent pvp. I don't think I've even seen a "hardcore pvper" proclaim their love for only instanced pvp. If Cryptic was really serious about making the Klingons the pvp faction then they need to put in persistent pvp zones, where pvp happens without a queue and a loading screen into a closed off battleground.

The only thing that I see is that Cryptic panicked when February was getting near and they had no content for the Klingons. So the easiest thing to do, without a release delay, was label them as the pvp faction and put together a few battlegrounds.
I know what you mean about instanced PvP. I don't care for the waiting myself, I am used to the PvP Zones in SWG, that are always there. You just cross a line, and you're overt. But, like I've been stating multiple times, they wanted to get STO out there, like you said... and they're not totally done with everything. People are going "END OF THE GAME!! AHHH"

Its been what? A month since it was released...?


CALM

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# 25
03-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Hehe....I agree with ya Skapek. People do need to calm down a little, but at the same time it is easy to understand the frustration. I personally think the new update is a good start, but hope that they release a bigger Klingon content update in the future.
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# 26
03-17-2010, 07:02 PM
All i know is i would be a klingon in a split second if they had the same amount of content as the federation. Just my thoughts.
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# 27
03-17-2010, 08:13 PM
I don't play klingon as I wanted the trill but since that doesn't appear to be coming at all, I'll just say I'd surrender in this situation too. It's pretty bleak.
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# 28
03-17-2010, 08:31 PM
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I don't view discussion as an attack on anybody, but I do view the OP's whining as an attack on our collective dignity as a playerbase. :p
Any CUSTOMERS that are willing to pay full price for 3rd rate treatment have no dignity. Cryptic is taking OUR money but not giving us fair value. They fail to make good on their promises - of a full-fledged faction, of a Joined Trill available to Klingons, of other things. In their first update they devote the vast majority of it to the Federation and hand out bread crumbs to the "other faction". Yet Klingon players are charged exactly the same monthly fee - and some will continue to pay.


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I'm not saying posters aren't correct. I'm saying that wailing resignation doesn't represent the collective whole. In reality, I'd estimate that the vast majority of Klingon players already left some time ago - more precisely, put the game "on hold" while waiting for some improvement. It's not all that different from the trend on the Federation side.
I don't think you can put your account "on hold." From what I've seen on these forums the account is erased, so when you come back you must start over from scratch, and your special items from the pre-buy will probably never be seen again. I may be wrong, and plan to call customer support to find out.


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My point? The milk is spilled. No point in crying, and please don't try to suck it out of the rug. Instead, STO's population seems to be collectively promising something no MMO to date has ever had: a second chance. Most of the leavers are saying "I'll check back in 3 months because I see this game has potential" rather than "This game is doomed."
My point is that Cryptic is taking advantage of their Klingon faction CUSTOMERS by charging them for full content, but not delivering. It will take more than 3 months for Cryptic to fix what is "wrong" but the message they sent with update #1, and what they are saying is in store for the future, is that they don't have a clue how to fix what is important to Klingons (or they don't care). The Klingon faction (STO in general?) is Humpty Dumpty and Cryptic will never any time soon put it together again. Yes, many smart Klingons have already voted with their feet, they have in fact surrendered to Cryptic.


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That's why my last comment was, instead of this foolishness, what ARE the Klingon community's demands, and what are our justifications for the resource allocation?
Getting the Klingon Fleets to band together and form a High Council was half-hearted humor. But that is the only way I can see the Klingon community getting a unified voice. Our first demand should be for equal value of services delivered by Cryptic or a reduced price for reduced services delivered. What is the first priority of work - I'd say consentual all-tier open KvF PvP areas with a mechanism to prevent more than a 2:1 disparity in numbers. Meanwhile the "art department" can start delivering Klingon character and ship customization. They could also clean up some of the embarrasing instances of their Fedcentricism - like having scewed up screen shots under the Klingon Faction description. Go here and check it out: http://www.startrekonline.com/factions If I were Cryptic I'd be embarrased by that.


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Yes, but I think that consolidating demands is the only way we'll get anything we care about. A small fraction of the population gets a correspondingly small fraction of the resource pie. If Cryptic is to follow through on their promise to deliver "what players want", doesn't it make the most sense for the players to take some initiative in expressing what they want?
Glad to see we agree. But who speaks with authority for the Klingon faction? Cryptic makes "promises" but they haven't been doing a good job living up to them, or coming clean about why they have not. I've seen a glaring lack of any reasonable attempt to communicat with Klingon players. The last "Ask Cryptic" about Klingons was a fraking joke. Why aren't they on THIS forum and IRC?
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# 29
03-17-2010, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by STObee
Recommend the main Klingon faction fleets get together and ask Cryptic for terms of surrender.


We could not be beaten by the Fedrats, Romulans or Borg, but against the unfeeling and unthinking Cryptic there is no defense.


The 45-day update makes it crystal clear that Klingons are not a major faction in STO and that Klingons will only get 3rd class treatment. They should rename the game Federation Online and let us get on with our pathetic existance as a monster faction.

Any terms short of species enslavement or extinction should be accepted.

As a bargaining tool we could ask for reduced monthly premiums to go along with our reduced level of content. Call it an even $5/month to play Klingon faction.

Cryptic should pay me to entertain the Federation players.
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# 30
03-17-2010, 10:52 PM
I already surrendered, I held out to $0 per month. win
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