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# 21
03-29-2010, 01:02 PM
i could for real debate starwars all day.
We have a lab here at work that alot of the students hang out in between classes, i've had to walk out before to end shouting matches as these punk kids (sometimes older then me, which i find hilarious) try to argue my starwars knowledge.
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# 22
03-29-2010, 07:10 PM
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So I have a question, I'm curious about peoples opinion.

What is the difference between the Federation of planets and the Republic(from star wars)

both are a large conglomeration of systems united under a common government, A united fleet/military
they both have a head of state president / chancelor
they both have a governing body

yet, they are drastically different in outcome.
the federation is stable, and the republic have people seceding and joining all the time, a lot more chaotic.

so anyways thats my question please give me your opinions, thanks for your time.
Federation is a Socialist State and the Republic is a democracy (well the 1st Republic lol)
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# 23
03-29-2010, 08:31 PM
very interesting, I hadn't really thought of the republic as more of a confederation, but I suppose it is.

now while the republic had the sith, and in the books the yuuzon vong, Star trek obviously has Klingons, Romulons , Cardasians , Undine , Borg, etc etc etc. Maybe its the multitude of adversaries that would help keep things stable. If you only have one, once its gone, then the need for unification isn't as strong. It definately doesn't help when your primary defense and leadership goes off and switches sides on you and returns to try and take you over.

I know the obvious answer is thats how they were each written, but I like to think beyond that. I like to think that if its that way, how it came to be that way in theory.
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# 24
03-29-2010, 09:18 PM
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The UFP does not depend on a quasi-religious order with a propensity toward having its adherents go on self-indulgent power trips for its security.
No....all the Federation has is Section 31 doing the exact same thing.
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# 25
03-29-2010, 10:57 PM
Another couple of factors you have to take into account are age and scale, the Republic had been in existence for thousands of years before it fell and spanned the vast majority of the galaxy. The UFP, on the other hand, is only a couple centuries old and encompasses a much smaller territory. The age of the Republic alone breeds organizational, logistical and governance problems all it's own as does the rather loose structure of their government itself. The UFP by comparison can readily send vessels to almost anywhere within its territory with relative ease and speed, in addition the younger nature of the UFP allows the institutions and governance systems to be more easily changed as the need arises. Added on to this is the much stronger nature of the Federation government and the stronger allegiances of the member races.
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# 26
03-29-2010, 11:53 PM
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No....all the Federation has is Section 31 doing the exact same thing.
Hardly. Section 31 is a secret and is not generally supported or liked by people that hear of it. It's not quasi-religious or religious. It's just black ops.
They are hardly visible. And I tend to think it's influence is overrated. It was created for Deep Space Nine, the previous universe really didn't seem to need or use it. The closest to something like Section 31 was what happened during Startrek VI - Undiscovered Country - I wouldn't be surprised if a retcon indicates that Section 31 members might have been supporting the Klingon/Romulan/Federation faction that wanted to prolong the Klingon conflict. (They certainly didn't seem to do anything to sabotage it.)
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# 27
03-30-2010, 01:02 AM
The federation is a true post scarcity society, the Republic is a bizarre superimposition of a classical era Greek republic combined with a post scarcity technology.

Post scarcity being a level of technology that mean you no longer have resource issues (power generation, food, building materials) But the limitations of the various systems with in those universes are entirely the writers discretion. hence the differences.
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# 28
03-30-2010, 02:18 AM
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Actually (I can't resist the urge to geek out on this one) Vader doesn't have much in the way of rank within the Empire - he's outranked by Moff Tarkin and the entirety of the Admiralty. If you had to give him a rank, the closest thing would be "Captain" or "Governer."

It's just that Tarkin and the Admiralty don't argue with him 'cause he can kill them with his mind.
Yeah, his rank is basically 'Darth Vader'.

It has as much meaning on the military scale as anyone decides it does, including him. He's probably technically outranked by a lot more than just the Moffs, but his rather flexible position as the Emperors Hand means no-one would have batted an eyelid if his voice had come over the tannoy on the Death Star saying, "I have killed Tarkin and taken command of this station". I sincerely doubt he goes along with any plan he's 'ordered' to be a part of that he doesn't like, whether that involves killing the incompetent planner or just taking all the assigned forces and doing his own planning instead.

Tarkin appeared to have a good expectation that he could order Vader around though. Presumably when the Emperor forwards Vader to you as an observer or other such job role, it's a 'feel free to act as his superior officer until you betray me or screw up' situation.
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# 29
03-30-2010, 02:21 AM
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The federation is a true post scarcity society.
They are nowhere close to it. They still mine for a start, resources and economy are a serious issue for them.

If you want post scarcity, that would The Culture, as written by Iain M Banks.
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# 30
03-30-2010, 03:00 AM
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They are nowhere close to it. They still mine for a start, resources and economy are a serious issue for them.

If you want post scarcity, that would The Culture, as written by Iain M Banks.
I thinks that's more to do with the writers than the actual technology that they have.

i mean they can perfectly disintegrate and then reintegrate a human at the atomic level but they can't reproduce some minerals?

they don't have smart ships but the same ships computer can create sentient holograms?

they are post scarcity in all the ways it would matter.

the culture is of course where i get this idea.
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