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Join Date: Dec 2007
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We are two MMO players looking for a fleet that matches our requirements. Here is what we are looking for specifically. Please read through it and let me know if you think your fleet would be a good fit for us. At the bottom we mention a bit about ourselves.

The reason we spell all this out is because we are not just looking for a fleet. We are looking for the right fleet. We are not what you call "Guild Jumpers". So, please don't say "Give us a try" or the like. We're not here to try out fleets. We're here to find one that fits our style as best as possible. We may not be successful in doing that, and that is okay. We'll just keep looking.

1. Good leadership. A fleet must be well orchestrated and lead by mature and understanding individuals. Those that ignore thoughts and recommendations of their guild as a whole are not good leaders. This is important to us. You may think you can lead, but somehow not gain the respect of your members. We want the leadership that knows how to gain that respect through actions and very few words. Kindness, understanding, maturity, respectful, willingness to help, etc. are all attributes of great leadership.
2. Mature players. We don't like l33t speak or any level of immaturity, disrespect, or any type of hostility. If you have these types in your guild, your guild is not for us.
3. A method of being able to log a complaint with another member and have it actually taken care of by an officer. Taken care of meaning you've investigated the issue and taken action if necessary.
5. Some level of regularly scheduled events, especially with the STFs available. We have not done any due to the simply reason we don't like PUGs, which are those that have just joined a PUG in hopes of free loot.
6. Ability to help new players. Lack of tolerance with "newbies" is not a good thing and shows a tendancy for being an elitist. We don't like elitists.
7. You actually have a recruiting process, not just sign-here-you're-in types. If you just say "join us!" you're not the fleet for us. I feel the best way to make sure you have good people and the right people is to actually talk to them first and lay down expectations then see for yourself with a trial period before they join. Somehow, as of late, this has gone out the window with tossing out random invites in Sol and the like.
8. You feel the achievement was obtained by the team, not the individual.
9. You have an age requirement, such as "21 and older" for example.
10. Absolutely no sexual discussions of any type.
11. Respectful of a members time regardless of who it is. If you are the leader of an event, start on time, within reason of course. If you are an invited member to an event, be there on time or provide prior reason why you would not be if at all possible.
12. You enjoy just being in a group striving to achieve a goal, not just for the loot. If the only thing you care about is the loot, you're not the guild for us. We feel the fun is with the fight, not necessarily the prize. Planning and working together and being successful is where the fun is at IMO.
13. A good web site with which to communicate outside of the game.
14. Use of Ventrilo or Teamspeak for events.
15. A site calendar indicating when events are scheduled.
16. You do not look down upon any member. Everyone is equal with different roles and responsibilities.
17. You do not publicly admonish anyone whatsoever at any time or place. This is to be done privately, always, unless it absolutely cannot be avoided.
18. You do not throw guilt upon someone for any screwups. (as in pointing the finger or faulting)
19. Casual and Hardcore are both okay.
20. No cliques (it's fine to group with your buddies, but you also spread it around so nobody feels excluded)
21. You provide guidance for gear, not stipulations for gear
22. We are not looking for a role-playing guild. If you support role-playing, that should be confined to a channel of itself.
...and most importantly...
23. You strive to have fun at all times with good people and friends.

About us:

We come from a long line of MMOs. Far too many that I care to admit. We are older, but lets just say we are 30+ and leave it at that. We've both lead guilds before and it's just not for us. Too many personalities to deal with and we're just not good at it. Age and intolerance for morons has done this to us. We learn our class well as we want to be good at what we do. We never claim to be the best, but we strive to be. We're helpful as much as we possibly can. Ask for our opinion/advice and we'll kindly provide that. We like to understand the mechanics of a game and enjoy sharing of knowledge, both ways. We even screw up once in a while. I remember back in '85 that happened once even for me. Maybe it was '86, I can't be sure. We like to poke fun and have fun. We feel it is the people we are with, not what we can get out of it. Methodical planning and refining our skills is all part of the fun as well. We take advice well. We take guidance well. We don't take a leader with a "God" complex very well. We don't take immaturity very well either. Role-playing is fine, but we do not participate in it.

it is important that we feel we want to logon and play the game with people we know and get along with. Existing or growing issues within a fleet is an indication it is ready to fail. We want to be part of a good, growing fleet. We hope and feel we can contribute a lot to that very thing.

We just like to have fun with like-minded people. It is quite that simple.

My characters are...
Ariakis - Engineer/Cruiser (RA5) (T5 crafting Science/Engineering/Tactical)
Brenak - Tactical/Escort (RA5)

Maticai's characters...
Duke - Science/Science (RA5)
Mack - Engineer/Cruiser (C7 I think)
Reply here, or contact me in-game

Thanks for your time and be safe!
Vrayel
(@Vrayel)
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 2
03-29-2010, 04:19 PM
Will PM (in-game mail) you...
/B2
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 3
03-29-2010, 04:37 PM
I was doing well until I reached rule 10
Lt. Commander
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Posts: 120
# 4 Starting a fleet
03-29-2010, 04:41 PM
I don't know if you would be interested but I'm looking to start a fleet. It will be small at first but I believe we will be able to create a more stable fleet and set the rules ourselves. Like you I want to have a mature fleet that can handle problems that arise. You can email me at michaellsturges@hotmail.com or in game at Michael@UnoMike
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 5
03-29-2010, 08:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphessa View Post
I was doing well until I reached rule 10
Usually not a problem, but both of us are married (not to each other mind you) and it just gives that uncomfortable feeling when the wife walks by. Had a huge issue with it in a prior guild and it just got out of hand. Thus, I made it a rule.
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Join Date: Dec 2007
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# 6
03-29-2010, 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Be2
Will PM (in-game mail) you...
/B2
Very much appreciated Be2. I responded to you in-game. Stupid email system timed out on my first response, so my second got a bit shorter. As mentioned though, I want to see if anyone else responds here before making any decisions.

Thanks again and we'll talk soon!

-Vrayel
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 7
03-29-2010, 08:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnoMike View Post
I don't know if you would be interested but I'm looking to start a fleet. It will be small at first but I believe we will be able to create a more stable fleet and set the rules ourselves. Like you I want to have a mature fleet that can handle problems that arise. You can email me at michaellsturges@hotmail.com or in game at Michael@UnoMike
I appreciate the response and the certainly understand the desire to create a Fleet, but that's not exactly what I'm looking for right now. Great idea, and back in the day I'd be tempted, but just looking for something more established.

Thanks,
Vrayel
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 8
03-29-2010, 09:04 PM
I must say your list is pretty daunting. In fact, it reads rather oppressive or depressing, depending on how you look at it. Even so, as a writer I understand clearly the intention of the written word can be misunderstood. Saying that, I'm going to tell you a little about the 1-8-7. If you like what I say, give us a visit. If you don't, well, then I guess we aren't what you're looking for.

I truly understand the frustration with fleet (guild) membership. I've been in good ones and I've been in bad ones. Games are supposed to be fun, so in my mind there's no room for bad ones.

That being said, if you're looking for the perfect fleet with no problems whatsoever, where members always say the right thing, where everyone acts and reacts as they should, your search will be a long and fruitless one. Fleets (or guilds), unfortunately are made up of people. People are different and as such, will occasionally act or speak in a manner you are not comfortable with. The only real solution is to play single player games. No attitudes other than yours allowed.

Fleet 187 is a pretty danged good fleet, even if I (one of the command staff) do say so myself. Are we perfect? No. Does every member get along in perfect harmony? No. Do we all want to teach the world to sing? No. Are there snow white turtle doves? No.

But we do want one thing in that song I was referring to. We do "keep each other company". Yes, there have been issues at times. Some people have left because of them- others left whether they wanted to or not. Still, our core group is solid and we all like playing the game (that is, almost all of us).

We use vent, we have a website, we have weekly fleet events and a fleet meeting each Sunday evening. We have structure and rank, but try not to be stuffy or overbearing.

Most of the sexual conversation has come in the form of a joke or two, and it's not a regular part of our conversation. Nothing graphic or x-rated, at least not that I've heard.

We believe in allowing players to play the way they want to play, even role play. I will say we don't have many role players, and I'm truly not sure any are still around. We have a solid group who PvE and are attempting to strengthen our PvP section. We have a couple of PvPers who are ambitious enough to be working on scheduling a STO-wide tournament.

Now, if you have given me the same courtesy I gave you and read the entire post, you may or may not be intrigued about the 1-8-7. If so, I suggest you visit the website, look at the forum and go to the bottom and check out our ventrillo information. If not, I seriously doubt you are still reading this, so I'm wasting my time typing this line. See you at Fleet 187.
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 9
03-29-2010, 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vrayel
We are two MMO players looking for a fleet that matches our requirements. Here is what we are looking for specifically. Please read through it and let me know if you think your fleet would be a good fit for us. At the bottom we mention a bit about ourselves.

The reason we spell all this out is because we are not just looking for a fleet. We are looking for the right fleet. We are not what you call "Guild Jumpers". So, please don't say "Give us a try" or the like. We're not here to try out fleets. We're here to find one that fits our style as best as possible. We may not be successful in doing that, and that is okay. We'll just keep looking.

1. Good leadership. A fleet must be well orchestrated and lead by mature and understanding individuals. Those that ignore thoughts and recommendations of their guild as a whole are not good leaders. This is important to us. You may think you can lead, but somehow not gain the respect of your members. We want the leadership that knows how to gain that respect through actions and very few words. Kindness, understanding, maturity, respectful, willingness to help, etc. are all attributes of great leadership.
2. Mature players. We don't like l33t speak or any level of immaturity, disrespect, or any type of hostility. If you have these types in your guild, your guild is not for us.
3. A method of being able to log a complaint with another member and have it actually taken care of by an officer. Taken care of meaning you've investigated the issue and taken action if necessary.
5. Some level of regularly scheduled events, especially with the STFs available. We have not done any due to the simply reason we don't like PUGs, which are those that have just joined a PUG in hopes of free loot.
6. Ability to help new players. Lack of tolerance with "newbies" is not a good thing and shows a tendancy for being an elitist. We don't like elitists.
7. You actually have a recruiting process, not just sign-here-you're-in types. If you just say "join us!" you're not the fleet for us. I feel the best way to make sure you have good people and the right people is to actually talk to them first and lay down expectations then see for yourself with a trial period before they join. Somehow, as of late, this has gone out the window with tossing out random invites in Sol and the like.
8. You feel the achievement was obtained by the team, not the individual.
9. You have an age requirement, such as "21 and older" for example.
10. Absolutely no sexual discussions of any type.
11. Respectful of a members time regardless of who it is. If you are the leader of an event, start on time, within reason of course. If you are an invited member to an event, be there on time or provide prior reason why you would not be if at all possible.
12. You enjoy just being in a group striving to achieve a goal, not just for the loot. If the only thing you care about is the loot, you're not the guild for us. We feel the fun is with the fight, not necessarily the prize. Planning and working together and being successful is where the fun is at IMO.
13. A good web site with which to communicate outside of the game.
14. Use of Ventrilo or Teamspeak for events.
15. A site calendar indicating when events are scheduled.
16. You do not look down upon any member. Everyone is equal with different roles and responsibilities.
17. You do not publicly admonish anyone whatsoever at any time or place. This is to be done privately, always, unless it absolutely cannot be avoided.
18. You do not throw guilt upon someone for any screwups. (as in pointing the finger or faulting)
19. Casual and Hardcore are both okay.
20. No cliques (it's fine to group with your buddies, but you also spread it around so nobody feels excluded)
21. You provide guidance for gear, not stipulations for gear
22. We are not looking for a role-playing guild. If you support role-playing, that should be confined to a channel of itself.
...and most importantly...
23. You strive to have fun at all times with good people and friends.

About us:

We come from a long line of MMOs. Far too many that I care to admit. We are older, but lets just say we are 30+ and leave it at that. We've both lead guilds before and it's just not for us. Too many personalities to deal with and we're just not good at it. Age and intolerance for morons has done this to us. We learn our class well as we want to be good at what we do. We never claim to be the best, but we strive to be. We're helpful as much as we possibly can. Ask for our opinion/advice and we'll kindly provide that. We like to understand the mechanics of a game and enjoy sharing of knowledge, both ways. We even screw up once in a while. I remember back in '85 that happened once even for me. Maybe it was '86, I can't be sure. We like to poke fun and have fun. We feel it is the people we are with, not what we can get out of it. Methodical planning and refining our skills is all part of the fun as well. We take advice well. We take guidance well. We don't take a leader with a "God" complex very well. We don't take immaturity very well either. Role-playing is fine, but we do not participate in it.

it is important that we feel we want to logon and play the game with people we know and get along with. Existing or growing issues within a fleet is an indication it is ready to fail. We want to be part of a good, growing fleet. We hope and feel we can contribute a lot to that very thing.

We just like to have fun with like-minded people. It is quite that simple.

My characters are...
Ariakis - Engineer/Cruiser (RA5) (T5 crafting Science/Engineering/Tactical)
Brenak - Tactical/Escort (RA5)

Maticai's characters...
Duke - Science/Science (RA5)
Mack - Engineer/Cruiser (C7 I think)
Reply here, or contact me in-game

Thanks for your time and be safe!
Vrayel
(@Vrayel)
Project Navras may very well be the fleet you're looking for. We're a fleet nearing 50 ships, at the moment, devoting ourselves to enjoying every aspect that Star Trek Online has to offer, whether it's RP, PVP, or simply good, old fashioned PVE, with raids and fleet actions. We have our own forums, voice comms, and weekly schedule of events-- with member access to the Fleet Bank, and regularly-held contests for our members.

We have a complete award/medals system on our forums, thus allowing our members to earn commendations and decorations from their actions within the fleet. We also have divisions, allowing you to devote yourself to certain duties/responsibilities within the fleet that will help you in progressing through our ranking system.

If you're interested, then it all starts by checking out our fleet recruitment thread. The link is located in my signature-- and after that, check out our website and forums at www.ProjectNavras.com -- you might even decide to fill out an application.
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Posts: 120
# 10
03-29-2010, 10:24 PM
Hi there Vrayel.

If you have not already chosen a fleet, I ask that you consider SinistaR fleet. We are an spinoff from our SWG guild of 6 years so we are ourselves an experienced group of MMO players. I have read and re-read your list of requirements and they basically follow our creed. We are made up of good natured, mature players who have real lives so our main gaming times are from 6pm-1am EST on the weekdays and all day on weekends. If you are interested, send me a PM and we can set up an interview in game/ventrilo. I end this post with a copy form our recruitment post in case I missed anything.

Quote:
History
SinistaR fleet is a long time guild from Star Wars Galaxies that has been around for over 6 years. In SWG, we are known as Sinister or SR on the Starsider server, but unfortunately the fleet name Sinister was already taken for STO so we are SinistaR.

About us
SR is a Federation Fleet who focus primarily on teamwork, we look for mature people who get along well with others. Our goal is not about creating the largest guild or fleet in any game we play, we look to focus on a small to medium group of players in which we can all work together to better hone our skills while having fun in the process. Current game rank or skill level does not matter much to us because we are here to assist, teach, and learn.

We are looking for people that are:
1. Mature players 21 years of age or older.
2. Able to use voice communication programs like Ventrilo. (Not required but preferred for raids)
3. Respectful to all fleet members and other players in STO.
4. Looking to have fun.


If you feel that SinistaR is the fleet for you, send us a mail.

@eldorada - Fleet Admiral
@Bovive - Fleet Senior Officer

You can also sign up on our website www.swg-sinister.com and post an application thread.
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