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I think it would be awesome if you could fly different ships than just the Starfleet ones. Afterall, it's a time of war, and the various member species of the Federation might just have to send their own ships to the frontlines to help out Starfleet.

However, it wouldn't be a good idea to just add a dozen species worth of new ships to the game willy nilly, so I think it would be a better idea if all the racial ships are exact equivalents to existing ships, but just look different.

I think at first every class of T5 ship could have one racial equivalent that you can somehow unlock during the game, maybe doing a high end quest that somehow involves that species.

Fleet Escort:
Andorian battlecruiser. Think something along the lines of Andorian ships features in Enterprise. An agressive looking, sleek design with wings and big engines, mounting massive forward frepower. Of course these ships would be even more advanced than the ones seen in the show, but retain their design standards. This ship expresses the Andorian passion for battle, it is built to charge in and attack.

Advanced Escort:
Bajoran Strike Ship. Thirty years after the Dominion wars the Bajorans were not content with leaving their fate entirely in the hands of the Federation, and consequently built some ships of their own. Their designs are just as capable as federation ships, and based around the hit and run and fighter tactics they learned during the occupation by the cardassians.

Assault Cruiser
Ferengi Marauder. Ferengi ships are much more advanced than they would let on, cobbled together from technologies traded from just about every known species. These ships are big with large cargo holds, and have an array of hidden weapons and powerful defenses. With more Ferengi entering Starfleet they sensed an opportunity to create some futue debts to collect on by helping the federation out. War is good for business afterall.

Star Cruiser
Saurian Cruiser. There isn't a lot of lore on the Saurians, and even less on their vehicles. This is an opportunity to close that gap and show what they are all about. This ship is tough and smart, just like the saurians themselves.

Reconaisance Science Vessel
Vulcan Science Academy Ship. The Vulcans have a small but very effective fleet of their own, and have sent some ships to assist the Federation. This is a fast science vessel of classic vulcan design, sleek lines, that trademark red-brown hue, and propelled by a large warp torus rather than traditional nacelles.

Deep Space Science Vessel
Betazoid Consular Ship. After the occupation of Betazed through the Dominion Betazoids were forced to realize that their peaceful ways and knack for diplomacy would not work against every type of enemy. As a result they began building ships of their own. While these vessels are not purely war ships, they are no slouches when it comes to a fight, and chock full of advanced technology. Betazoid ships are harmonius and organic in design yet ornamental.



These are just some ideas. I think it would be cool if you can get a ship designed by some of the member races of the Federation.

Of course there should eventually be ships for every race. I think that in Star Trek you haven't really made it as a race until you've got your own ship design. What your ships look like expresses what your race is all about visually, so I think in order to make all the races cool and really allow people to see what they are all about they all need to have their own ships, and if the ships are in the game then players should be able to use them.

A similar proposal would of course be needed for Klingons, although I think that it would be a bit easier to do for them since Orions, Nausicans and Gorn already have ship designs in the game.
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# 2
04-06-2010, 03:24 PM
How about no?

Even during the dominion wars there were no non-starfleet ships on the frontlines, in fact any race specific ships would most likely be tied down as planteray defense craft.
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# 3
04-06-2010, 03:47 PM
So what? This is 30 years later, a lot of species have had time to rebuild, and there is no reason why Starfleet has to consist of only human designed ships, and there is no real reason why other planets than earth can't build ships of their own.

STO shows a Star Trek universe that is more diverse than any of the TV shows ever were, where the majority of the crew is always human and the captains were always humans. In STO you can have a crew that doesn't have a single human in it, and a captain who isn't a human, so why so insistent that the only ships you can use are human designs?

The Dominion war also isn't proof that nobody except the Federation has ships, if anything the Dominion war is a good reason why various planets decide to build a few ships of their own.
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# 4
04-06-2010, 03:59 PM
I don't care if it makes canon-sense. I want these ships.
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# 5
04-06-2010, 04:18 PM
Um, who says those ships were "human designed"? The other members of the Federation probably had "people" on the design teams.

There are already Nausican and Gorn NPC ships, yet there are no such ships available to the KDF. Why is that?

How about we start with some NPC Vulcan and Tellerite ships, set them up as "wandering" enemy signal contacts in Klingon space.

Then we give the KDF access to some Nausican and Gorn ships since they have relatively few ship choices as compared to Star Fleet. If that goes well then in due time Star Fleet gets Vulcan and Tellerite ships.


Sound reasonable?
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# 6
04-06-2010, 04:38 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about, are you even responding to the right thread?
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# 7
04-06-2010, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by STObee
Um, who says those ships were "human designed"? The other members of the Federation probably had "people" on the design teams.

There are already Nausican and Gorn NPC ships, yet there are no such ships available to the KDF. Why is that?

How about we start with some NPC Vulcan and Tellerite ships, set them up as "wandering" enemy signal contacts in Klingon space.

Then we give the KDF access to some Nausican and Gorn ships since they have relatively few ship choices as compared to Star Fleet. If that goes well then in due time Star Fleet gets Vulcan and Tellerite ships.


Sound reasonable?
Because it is the "Klingon Defence Force"
Just as Starfleet use "Starfleet ships"
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# 8
04-06-2010, 04:50 PM
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I have no idea what you're talking about, are you even responding to the right thread?
Yes, I am.

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Originally Posted by Rothnang
So what? This is 30 years later, a lot of species have had time to rebuild, and there is no reason why Starfleet has to consist of only human designed ships, . . .
I was answering your post in part.
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# 9
04-06-2010, 05:02 PM
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Because it is the "Klingon Defence Force"
Just as Starfleet use "Starfleet ships"
Then why are there Gorn and Nausican ships "wandering" thru Federation sector space and harassing Federation colonies and merchant ships?

Accoring to your reasoning shouldn't those be "Klingon Defence Force" ships?
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# 10
04-06-2010, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by STObee
Yes, I am

I was answering your post in part.
Dude, you edited your entire post, it was a rant about Gorn in Starfleet before.

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Um, who says those ships were "human designed"? The other members of the Federation probably had "people" on the design teams.
Simple: Watch Enterprise, the ship in that show is entirely human designed, and every show afterward features ships that are clearly derived from it.

Enterprise also prominently features Andorian and Vulcan ships, because those planets both had a bigger fleet than Earth in that time.


The shows never captured the diversity of Starfleet overly well, they were always about human ships with predominantly human crews, aliens were always featured as either adversaries or as exceptions. STO is different, and there is no reason that shouldn't be reflected in the visual you have of your protagonist in half the game.
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