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Lt. Commander
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I am sorry about this second more serious rant on this subject, but I am seriously frustrated. Why on earth do I not have access to MK IV items for my Starship and certain ground items, not to mention the means of acquiring them at Tier 2 beginning? My Klingon does...why not me?

My PvP opponents have MK IV items. My PvE opponents have MK IV items. I am at a disadvantage from the start. I just want to know why? This makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Why hamstring Federation Starships (e.g. players) this way? I can find no logic in it.

My frustration level is pretty high, so I will just leave it at this, except that I am willing to bet it is exactly the same at every Tier. That means at every tier I will start out two MK's in equipment compared to my opponents, and I will not have the means of getting them until god knows when :\\\\\\
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# 2
04-08-2010, 03:34 PM
You can buy Mk IV ground weapons at the starbase in the Sierra system in Alpha Centauri. Forget the number. Whatever. You can also buy Mk III shields and Mk IV armor.

You can buy Mk IV ship equipment off the exchange.. They're generally not too expensive either.
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# 3
04-08-2010, 06:32 PM
Good questions. And the answer from Cryptic seems to be, "because".

You are the first person I've seen that has actually stated one of the PvP problems. The Klingons are given better equipment from the beginning, and the Feds have to hope for good drops, or buy the stuff if they can.
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# 4
04-08-2010, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rpadgett371 View Post
My PvP opponents have MK IV items. My PvE opponents have MK IV items. I am at a disadvantage from the start. I just want to know why? This makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Why hamstring Federation Starships (e.g. players) this way? I can find no logic in it.
Your PvE opponents do not have Mk IV items. They are on a sliding scale. So really, the tendency to have Mk IV items and to invest points in the most effective skills first means that the NPCs are at a disadvantage.

As for PvP, you're talking about klingons there. Now, yes, they can buy Mk IV items from the store. Which means white items. So that primarily matters for weapons. Shields, for example, a bonus like Cap outdoes how much a shield scales.

So we're talking weapons, primarily energy weapons, and disruptors at that. Which means a few things:
1. You know their damage type, use resists focused on disruptors, get a shield with disruptor resists.
2. You can buy the very same weapons on the exchange for a bit more than it costs from vendors, but not much.
3. You can make a klingon, transfer some money (put an item on the exchange for a recognizable price, buy item), then buy what you want and mail it to yourself.

You can typically find white even mark weapons for a pretty decent price, with a few exceptions. But since every fed ship comes with a few phasers damage type weapons, you can those relatively cheaply. Sometimes below the price a vendor charges, at that.

Weapons are also pretty cheap from the exploration vendors in terms of badges. Do a few of those and you quickly get the points you need to buy weapons. If the exploration guy for your level doesn't give you the mission right away, usually visiting the admiral for the level in question in person will get you to "to boldly go" type mission and doing that will get you access to the exploration level for the tier.

Also worth noting that feds have their own advantages, like access to Memory Alpha, and all the PvE content with its rewards. Now, yes, that stuff for the first bunch of levels will be odd marks. But for things like shields, deflector dishes, and so on, the bonus on a green is worth more than one higher mark in a white. So while klingons can easily get white weapons, feds come out ahead elsewhere.
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# 5
04-09-2010, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Axterix
So we're talking weapons, primarily energy weapons, and disruptors at that. Which means a few things:
1. You know their damage type, use resists focused on disruptors, get a shield with disruptor resists.
2. You can buy the very same weapons on the exchange for a bit more than it costs from vendors, but not much.
3. You can make a klingon, transfer some money (put an item on the exchange for a recognizable price, buy item), then buy what you want and mail it to yourself.
Found out about the mail option in a separate thread. Happy to have found it as I have now upgraded the M K II's to MK IV's (white items)

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You can typically find white even mark weapons for a pretty decent price, with a few exceptions. But since every fed ship comes with a few phasers damage type weapons, you can those relatively cheaply. Sometimes below the price a vendor charges, at that.
Will keep my eyes open for this more closely. I've not had any luck, though, finding anything the gap between MK II and MK IX.

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Weapons are also pretty cheap from the exploration vendors in terms of badges.
Don't agree with you there. To replace all weapons on my Tier 2 Escort requires 5 trips through the Nebula, 15 missions, to get enough BOE 2's to make the purchases.

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Do a few of those and you quickly get the points you need to buy weapons. If the exploration guy for your level doesn't give you the mission right away, usually visiting the admiral for the level in question in person will get you to "to boldly go" type mission and doing that will get you access to the exploration level for the tier.
Thanks for the tip.

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Also worth noting that feds have their own advantages, like access to Memory Alpha
Not at all impressed with MA. At Tier 2, the only items I see worth anything are the engines and the Corvant shield. But to be able to go make the craft, you have to have the vanilla item as a base to work off of. Tier IV engines can be gotten at the exploration store as can the Corvant shield; however, each individually requires 4 trips through the Nebula, 7 trips together, to earn enough BOE 2's to buy them. I am not impressed.

Another couple of examples here. Phaser upgrades at Tier 1 but not at Tier 2. Plasma Dual Cannon upgrade at Tier 2, but no regular dual plasma cannons anywhere else...only dual heavies. Never seen one at the exchange. e.g. the upgrade can't be done. MK IV personal shield upgrade. Have yet to see a white MK IV personal shield.

There are some serious disconnects here. Hoping the next upgrade will address this.

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So while klingons can easily get white weapons, feds come out ahead elsewhere.
True...the Klingons do have only two avenues to exploration items, Nebula runs or PvP. Not much comes out of PvE engagements either, ground or space.
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# 6
04-09-2010, 03:10 PM
Items from the exploration vendors will not work at MA. The items you need have to be common items and the ones from the exploration vendors are not common.
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# 7
04-09-2010, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rpadgett371 View Post
Not at all impressed with MA. At Tier 2, the only items I see worth anything are the engines and the Corvant shield. But to be able to go make the craft, you have to have the vanilla item as a base to work off of. Tier IV engines can be gotten at the exploration store as can the Corvant shield; however, each individually requires 4 trips through the Nebula, 7 trips together, to earn enough BOE 2's to buy them. I am not impressed.
I agree that Memory Alpha rather sucks, such a limited set of offerings.

The key though is not to try and make them yourself. Not really worth the effort. You're better off selling the samples and using that money to purchase the end results which people tend to dump on the market.

That's what I do with my Klingons, for example. I sell the stuff used to make the stuff in Memory Alpha and then use that money to buy the end result. Gets me the item, saves me time, and it is all at a profit.
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# 8
04-10-2010, 01:29 PM
also just to clarify -

the BoE x order store items are the same on the klink and fed side as are the pvp badge vendors.

klingons due tend to be upgraded to bes in tier items faster because a large part of their leveling is PvP based, so they get the badges anyway while leveling and upgrade. Feds dont pvp as much while leveling cause they have the option of PvE. if there were more Pve options for klingon leveling well, it might even out a bit.

feds can upgrade just as fast if they level through exploration mission and pvp alone (like klinks do) i am not sayin this is right, it is just an observation.
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