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# 1 State of denile
04-11-2010, 07:18 AM
I am sure this is a burn out topic.Hoping to provide a new view on the topic.

My main is a g5 Klingon, I love the carrier very much.No matter how much i love this type ship. It gets very boring to play. pvp match after pvp match, we win and win again. I think I lose 1 match per day on my Klingon. Now don't take me wrong. I am not saying I'm the reason we win.Infact most matches i don't even gruop, assist or help my teammates. Yet we win 95%.This is very boring to (nearly) always win.

on the flip side i do play as a fed. my ship of choice is an escort. OMG we lose and we lose. forget playing solo. as fed you have too, you need team work. but over it really don't help as the Klingon win 95%. kinda odd since this is the exact same thing in reverse of my Klingon experience.

I talked about this with other players. What do i find? Every body is in denile~! "NO! its not true" everybody declares. "Feds won a lot of matches last week", One guy declared." Its 50%, win 50% lose" Another claimed. The most common line is " That because Klingon have teamwork/tactics and feds don't".

I think this last one is the pickle.Cause i play Klingon and im sorry, did you say i have team work? Really? Sorry we missed that part. I just don't see any teamwork in play that the feds don't do too. Oh tactics? Klingon tactics comes right out of the war-hammer orcs book of warfare. chapter one: " wack them", chapter two: "wack them again". chapter there:" OY, wack them again". and the book ends here!


So with a 95% win ratio for one team.Does everybody stay in denile? Does cryptic pretend its not so?Do we just blame it on player who pick feds are inherently less good / yet are ok again when they play Klingon? Today i will play feds again, and QQ as we lose every match.This is alot funner then winning over and over as Klingon.

How can the feds keep playing if the game is so demoralizing?. Love to those who run pre-mades. maybe you get more fun then those who don't.
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# 2
04-11-2010, 07:58 AM
I hope you're prepared to be flamed for stating the obvious.

Like, "All feds just stink at pvp, it has nothing to do with cloak being OP", or better "Feds just need to learn teamwork", or "You need to learn how to use your ship". The funniest one is, "Yeah, but you get 3000 more hull points". In a game where people talk in the forums about how to kill someone before they have time to even hit RSP, renders hull strength useless.

I've noticed the same thing when I used to do FvK. Klingons don't have to use teamwork when cloak, dps, and more maneuverability work just fine. Probably the most comical example of the imbalance is a cruiser fighting a battlecruiser. Fought one the other day in Kerrat. He decloaked behind me, shut his engines down to one quarter, and spammed his fire button. He burned one RSP to my three since his DPS is easily double mine if not triple. Of course, once I ran out of RSPs, I died.

It's only because of RSP I can beat a raptor/escort. Now their talking of nerfing that too. Which will reduce cruisers to giant hydrogen filled blimps in pvp.
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# 3
04-11-2010, 08:33 AM
Hello Yyrd.

What you say is right. I can only repeat what i wrote in some other threads... my opinion based on my experience. (BG5, RA5)

The klingon side offers advantages, thats absolutely right. I wish i could have variable bridge officers on my escort and fly around with 5 RSP, just for fun... i also wish i could cloak, what is so helpful for gathering around the enemy and attack simultaneously. A BoP can fly circles around me when i turn my escort, thanks to its extremely better movement. cruiser can equip all types of wepons... and so on and so on.

All those advantags can have the look like Klingons are "overpowered". I don't say they are but it will feel so if you battle them unprepared and without teamplay. The more teamplay there is on the Federation side, the less those advantages will lead Klingons to victory.

And thats how the game is at the moment:
- Yes, Klingon side is easier to play against unprepared enemies because of advantages.
- Yes, teamplay is the key to have fun in PVP on federation side.

And that is all, in my opinion. At the moment i have accepted the game as it is, trying to do my best on both sides.

P.S. I would also really be interested in official statistics... win / loss-ratio FvK
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# 4
04-11-2010, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Izzx
I hope you're prepared to be flamed for stating the obvious.
I have no intention of flaming him, even though I think he's wrong.

In fact the only bit I agree with is that it is a burn out topic.

Actually one little spelling police flame

It's denial, if I was in denile my feet would be wet and I'd be getting eyed up by crocodiles.
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# 5
04-11-2010, 08:53 AM
He can't spell denial, but he's right.

It's blatantly obvious that Klingons are overpowered. The combination of cannons on cruiser sized ships, cloaks, carriers, and high grade science and engineering officers on ships with cannons simply makes them stronger.
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# 6
04-11-2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rothnang
He can't spell denial, but he's right.

It's blatantly obvious that Klingons are overpowered. The combination of cannons on cruiser sized ships, cloaks, carriers, and high grade science and engineering officers on ships with cannons simply makes them stronger.
It's all a matter of opinion, thats all truth really is.

This same damn conversation gets played out so damn often thats I'm damn well sick and damn tired of it and don't even care anymore. So I just laugh instead.

And The only reason I mentioned the denail denile thing is it's an old joke I have with the missus and it makes me laugh. Which is why I play this game, I'm definitely in Denile. But I'm happy and I don;t give a damn.
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# 7
04-11-2010, 09:16 AM
i like to run a test. Klingon all get into teri4 ship and fight the feds and see is the game balances out to 50%?
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# 8
04-11-2010, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Yyrd View Post
My main is a g5 Klingon, I love the carrier very much.No matter how much i love this type ship. It gets very boring to play. pvp match after pvp match, we win and win again. I think I lose 1 match per day on my Klingon. Now don't take me wrong. I am not saying I'm the reason we win.Infact most matches i don't even gruop, assist or help my teammates. Yet we win 95%.This is very boring to (nearly) always win.
You should switch ships on both sides and see if that helps with your burnout.
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# 9
04-11-2010, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBigBadWulf
It's all a matter of opinion, thats all truth really is.
Truth is not a matter of oppinion, truth is derived from empirical evidence, and in the case of STO it's not difficult to express the massive imbalance between the factions in a numerical format.
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# 10
04-11-2010, 11:12 AM
Ok, I havn't played Klink yet, but in pvp I always since tier 2 have had the highest damage by a high margin and high healing. I play very well and often carry the team. If Klinks are overpowered and their players aren't better how can you explain this?
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