Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 11
04-15-2010, 11:57 AM
Is this cheating? Well I'd consider it bug exploiting yes.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 12
04-15-2010, 12:15 PM
Um, if this was something the devs wanted people doing they would have just added more bridge consoles instead of making people swap BO's in and out. Of course it's an exploit.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 13
04-15-2010, 12:22 PM
doing this i can have RSP up for every fight.

also i can evasive away, reset all my bofs and all timers reset for round. now kill those players since all their skill are on cool-down and mine are all ready and new.

this is dirty, and unethical. i say everybody keep doing it till they fix this nonsense.

more players that know, the more who will use it. more who use it, faster they patch it.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 14
04-15-2010, 12:27 PM
Yes, it is an exploit. Will you get in trouble for doing it; probably not.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 15
04-15-2010, 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grouchy.Otaku
The Dev's did stop the practice of changing Personal Firearms in combat to get around the cool-down restrictions. Switching BOs in a action to get around the cool-down restrictions sounds like the same kind of practice, so I wouldn't make this a habit...
Actually, all they did was impose a short global cooldown on the secondary effect, to reduce how quickly you could follow up with a second exploit attack.

As for this one? It does seem like it's not something the devs intended. I'd expect a fix, especially now that's it been "outed". Probably some kind of global cooldown on that power, regardless of how many of it you have.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 16
04-15-2010, 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordTareq View Post
Is this cheating? Well I'd consider it bug exploiting yes.
Since when is something an exploit even the ingame-tips on the loading screens advice you to do?

"Change bridge officers out of combat to fit your current needs." Or something similar like this.

For example my escort got no hazard emitters in his combat-BOs, why should it if I get blown to pieces in 5 seconds when shields fail and HE got 30secs duration, better field a jam sensors. But I switch it in after a battle to reach full hull before the respawn overruns me.
Or I usually fly with Attack Pattern Beta III in my commander slot. If I face several VM users in the PvP match I switch out my Cmdr-slot BO with the ltd-cmdr-slot BO, which got Attack Pattern Omega III on his Cmdr slot. I can't see how this is in any sense cheating. I would call it adapting to the enemy and changing tactics.


Switching BOs doesn't penalizes any occurring fight. The time it takes red alert to drop, after you stopped shooting and stopped taking damage and didn't heal allies that are in combat, etc., is quite long, the battle is over at this time, so why shouldn't he be able to switch his BOs to adapt to the situation?
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 17
04-15-2010, 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roter_Panda
Or I usually fly with Attack Pattern Beta III in my commander slot. If I face several VM users in the PvP match I switch out my Cmdr-slot BO with the ltd-cmdr-slot BO, which got Attack Pattern Omega III on his Cmdr slot. I can't see how this is in any sense cheating. I would call it adapting to the enemy and changing tactics.
There's a difference between what you are doing and what the OP is talking about.

You are talking about changing BOffs because you want access to a different power to better suit the situation you are in. Perfectly valid and intended.

The OP is talking about swapping out BOffs for another one with the same power so as to get around the long recharge time of RSP. Most likely not intended.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 18
04-15-2010, 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axterix
The OP is talking about swapping out BOffs for another one with the same power so as to get around the long recharge time of RSP. Most likely not intended.
I don't have an issue here either. He won't be able to do it while a fight is going on, so the cooldown served its purpose (not making anyone able to chain RSP x-times in a fight).
After the fight is over and the enemy respawned everyone got the same cards again. Person A can switch BOs to heal himself and reset cooldowns (with resetting cooldowns he is able to heal himself even quicker), Person B can get ready for a combat too.

Only a 15sec respawn timer would be even more unfair without it. Why shall the enemy I had beaten in a fair fight shall be able to jump me all healed up and regenerated an instant later, when all my cooldowns are still down and I had maybe time to pop a science team in the meantime max.


Plus also consider that every player uses RSP, so it is not anything that throws classes or factions out of balance.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 19
04-15-2010, 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roter_Panda
I don't have an issue here either. He won't be able to do it while a fight is going on, so the cooldown served its purpose (not making anyone able to chain RSP x-times in a fight)..
But by definition, if he is out of combat for only 15 seconds, then he can switch BOs to get around the RSP cool-down limit, and dash back into battle, which is not the intent of the RSP cool-down
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 120
# 20
04-15-2010, 06:14 PM
If you have two tactical BOffs, both with RSP, each on a tactical console that allows it to be used (is that even possible?), does the cooldown lockdown the unused RSP also? If so, there's your answer. The Devs intended for RSP to not be usable for the full length of time. Getting around that by swapping out BOffs is, well, "cheating" and "exploit" are such loaded words, let's just call it an "unintended use of the existing systems."

It's clever and creative. But I won't be surprised if they figure out a way to prevent it. Like, say, you can't swap out an officer until all their skills are available.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:01 PM.