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# 1431
02-16-2012, 12:48 PM
Speaking of Bajoran robes, you can recreate the Prylar robes in DS9 with the existing (and free!) robes options. It's also relatively easy to test against actual in game models by running from the tailor to the Bajoran Temple. Just sayin'.

Of course, there's no hood options, so that's a bummer .
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# 1432
02-16-2012, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Felderburg View Post
Speaking of Bajoran robes, you can recreate the Prylar robes in DS9 with the existing (and free!) robes options. It's also relatively easy to test against actual in game models by running from the tailor to the Bajoran Temple. Just sayin'.

Of course, there's no hood options, so that's a bummer .
There were Romulan NPCs wearing hoods in one of the featured episodes, so hopefully Cryptic will make them available someday.
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# 1433
02-16-2012, 04:14 PM
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It may look better in the Tailor screen, but remember, I tested all of these colors against the actual in-game lighting and I am confident that my choices are the best possible. Of course, you can always choose whatever color you wish. This is just a guide.
I used H8 and then watched the movie again, and in the movie the grey is darker.

Cheap rushed copy/paste for comarison: http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/662...comparison.jpg

You can see how much darker Picard's shoulders are. That's what made me go back and experiment ingame with the shade of grey. In the movie it's all darker, but the movie of course is not working with the ingame lighting we have to work with.

(this isn't criticism btw. I'm very appreciative of this thread and do use it! I use the TNG Series uniform though, because I'm a TNG series fan and the film uniform is way more inaccurate ingame.)
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# 1434
02-16-2012, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by uryenserellont
I used H8 and then watched the movie again, and in the movie the grey is darker.

Cheap rushed copy/paste for comarison: http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg27/...jpg&res=medium

You can see how much darker Picard's shoulders are. That's what made me go back and experiment ingame with the shade of grey. In the movie it's all darker, but the movie of course is not working with the ingame lighting we have to work with.

(this isn't criticism btw. I'm very appreciative of this thread and do use it!)
Your screen shot, however, isn't the actual in-game lighting. If you go to different locations in the game, ships bridges, social locations, mission ground maps, etc. you'll find the lighting is very different than in the Tailor screen. I tested against pretty much any location lighting you could come across in-game and then compared them against similar scenes in the films. Trust me, it was quite extensive testing. I'm pretty sure my choice is the best possible for nearly any location in the game, excluding the Tailor screen.

And don't worry, I don't take these kind of observations personally, and I don't mind explaining my methods and reasoning for anything in this guide.


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# 1435
02-16-2012, 07:07 PM
I did the same thing, and personally thought it was too light a shade. That's why when I saw the movie again a few days ago (First Contact) I noticed how much darker their uniforms were.

It's a lighting thing. Lighting in the movies is definitely not the same as ingame. What I should do is take some screenshots of my character wearing that uniform with H6 for comparison, maybe even H7.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7...2021622154.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7...021622092f.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9...2021622075.jpg

Those are all H6 above. Now I'll try H8 in the same areas.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1...2021622215.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/152...2021622205.jpg

http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/7...2021622225.jpg

Those are H8 above. The grey seems too light a shade to me. Maybe I'm the only one. What's interesting is how different the shades are outside vs inside. H6 looks a bit too dark outside, and H8 looks a bit too light inside. I don't spend much time outside personally. It's most noticeable at the console in ESD.

Here's more at the tailor

H8: http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1...2021622324.jpg

H6: http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3...2021622331.jpg

Darker just seems closer to :http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/527/bluins4.jpg

(this is in the interest of most accurately recreating the uniforms we so love, not nitpicking)
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# 1436
02-17-2012, 12:43 AM
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I did the same thing, and personally thought it was too light a shade...
I've used Lord Blackavaar's Guides for a long time. I find them to be quite useful and accurate. In the few places where my opinion finds them otherwise, I follow the below advice:

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...Of course, you can always choose whatever color you wish...
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# 1437
02-17-2012, 01:18 AM
Hey Patty, don't you also think the gold seam is far too thick on the new admiral's tunic? It never looked like that (and also not in that color really) when I watched DS9 later seasons, VOY Endgame or Insurrection.
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# 1438
02-17-2012, 08:32 AM
Hi Blackavaar, great guide! I have been using it extensively for my AGT/Endgame era crew as I really struggled to nail that one with the STO model and textures. Still think it's too shiny (compared to Kim and Janeway in Endgame especially!), but hey!

I was playing the Cardassian episode arc and noticed that during the DS9 mission, many of Cryptic's 25th century mirror universe NPCs have Jupiter 3 uniforms now, mostly black with a coloured rank patch and blue sash. Can you use your magic to show me which colours I should use to match these?

Many thanks for all the effort you've put into this over the last couple of years!
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# 1439
02-17-2012, 09:11 AM
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Hey Patty, don't you also think the gold seam is far too thick on the new admiral's tunic? It never looked like that (and also not in that color really) when I watched DS9 later seasons, VOY Endgame or Insurrection.
Hey Marry... :p I bought the bundle, but never got a chance to spend much time in the tailor. Except for the little picture on the blog/C-store, I haven't seen the tunic, so I can't really say.

However, knowning of the game's existing admiral long coat and diplomat jackets, with their thick borders and off-gold/silver, what you say wouldn't surprise me...
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# 1440
02-17-2012, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PatricianVetinari
I've used Lord Blackavaar's Guides for a long time. I find them to be quite useful and accurate. In the few places where my opinion finds them otherwise, I follow the below advice:

Oh I use and love this guide too. I just wanted to throw my opinion and experience with the TNG Film uniform out there, in the interest of accuracy, and see if maybe other people noticed the same thing or if's more a question of GPU or video settings, or the way the game handles lighting on clothing.

(and I use TNG Series uniforms anyway)
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